Salmond denies sexual misconduct allegations

[Gordon]

Aside from any political fallout yet to come, for other reasons it seems this could be heading back to court.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/24/alex-salmond-allies-say-he-plans-to-sue-the-scottish-government

[jeremyp]

Aside from any political fallout yet to come, for other reasons it seems this could be heading back to court.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/24/alex-salmond-allies-say-he-plans-to-sue-the-scottish-government

This is political fallout.

[Gordon]

This is political fallout.

True I suppose, but this has a legal element involving Salmond possibly seeking damages from the Scottish government as opposed to internal SNP factions jostling each or events in Holyrood involving investigations and political pressure from the other parties.

Salmond's previous court case against the Scottish Government, which he won, may well return to the fore. 

 

[jeremyp]

True I suppose, but this has a legal element involving Salmond possibly seeking damages from the Scottish government as opposed to internal SNP factions jostling each or events in Holyrood involving investigations and political pressure from the other parties.

I mean this new legal case is also politics. Intentional or not, Salmond's actions may stitch up the Scottish government. I heard somebody the other day claim that Salmond's acquittal would lead to a civil war in the SNP. Well, here we  are.

[Anchorman]

 I was a member of the party in 1979, when 'Eck and others were kicked out of the party. I remember folk predicting the demise of SNP in an internal civil war were they ever readmitted. Still waiting......

[Nearly Sane]

I was a member of the party in 1979, when 'Eck and others were kicked out of the party. I remember folk predicting the demise of SNP in an internal civil war were they ever readmitted. Still waiting......

That doesn't mean that there isn't an ongoing stramash that might well become a split at some point now.

https://archive.is/aDdVn#selection-1569.150-1569.458

[jeremyp]

I was a member of the party in 1979, when 'Eck and others were kicked out of the party. I remember folk predicting the demise of SNP in an internal civil war were they ever readmitted. Still waiting......

I'm not suggesting this would be the end  of the SNP only that things might be a bit fraught within the party.

[Anchorman]

That doesn't mean that there isn't an ongoing stramash that might well become a split at some point now.

https://archive.is/aDdVn#selection-1569.150-1569.458

The party has never been as united as the press thinks it has. There are four main factions at the moment.
The only difference between now and '79 is that in the latter period, only three; the 'Bannockburners' - almost Tory in their outlook, loyal to Gordon Wilson; the Ewing clan....the name says it all....and the Wolves....very left-of-centre, loyal to Billy Wolfe, former Convenor.
Only the demand for independence united, and still unites, them.

[Nearly Sane]

The party has never been as united as the press thinks it has. There are four main factions at the moment.
The only difference between now and '79 is that in the latter period, only three; the 'Bannockburners' - almost Tory in their outlook, loyal to Gordon Wilson; the Ewing clan....the name says it all....and the Wolves....very left-of-centre, loyal to Billy Wolfe, former Convenor.
Only the demand for independence united, and still unites, them.

No party with 2 or more members is ever united. But there is a real struggle going on and it's only corona that is hiding this.

[jeremyp]

No party with 2 or more members is ever united. But there is a real struggle going on and it's only corona that is hiding this.

The SNP is less united than most though. If you think about it, there is only one issue on  which they all agree.

[Nearly Sane]

The SNP is less united than most though. If you think about it, there is only one issue on  which they all agree.

Alternatively they and other parties who have a single issue on which they agree are the most united parties because there is one thing that they agree on unlike the other parties. The SNP has a big problem at the moment and I've covered this in some detail on this thread. Unlike anchorman, I think there are primarily 2 factions at the moment and when parties get to having fewer factions  it then becomes more problematic and likelier to lead to a split. There are many on Salmond's side talkinb about this being a conspiracy pulled together between the women in the case, the civil service, the anti Salmond faction, the   Uk govt and the security services. Now if this was just a minor faction that wouldn't matter but it isn't.

[Nearly Sane]

This is from a defence witness in the Salmond trial

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/alex-bell/1222015/alex-bell-when-your-best-defence-is-im-sleazy-but-not-criminal-its-nothing-to-smile-about/amp/?utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

[jeremyp]

This is from a defence witness in the Salmond trial

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/alex-bell/1222015/alex-bell-when-your-best-defence-is-im-sleazy-but-not-criminal-its-nothing-to-smile-about/amp/?utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Time to buy some popcorn, sit back and watch. I'll be interested to see if he chooses to wait until after the virus crisis has died down before suing the government.

[Nearly Sane]

Time to buy some popcorn, sit back and watch. I'll be interested to see if he chooses to wait until after the virus crisis has died down before suing the government.

  Think he has said that he will.


This is a clear summary

https://theconversation.com/amp/alex-salmond-acquittal-looming-fall-out-for-snp-could-ignite-civil-war-134820?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=bylinetwitterbutton&__twitter_impression=true

[Nearly Sane]

This is a long but excellent read from Dani Garavelli who is one of the best journalists in Scotland


https://members.tortoisemedia.com/2020/04/01/dani-garavelli-alex-salmond-verdict-scotland/content.html?sig=FaoRWeabiPXUdWXtVhkIce83Zix0RmVMwH63Tlexbb4&fbclid=IwAR3ruGQPGc3onDXdGoPIjq-o0Anb6ANlVAEVhy6SR2-5EOLsYJwJwZglMzM

[Nearly Sane]

All very odd

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/alex-salmonds-lawyer-claims-recording-of-him-discussing-case-was-a-set-up-rmwfd88hf?shareToken=024c13d030e2f5956146775ef4aeecc8

[Nearly Sane]

The fall out from the trial continues but is in the main hidden by the 'lockdown' and the politics surrounding that. Here is a piece from Wings Over Scotland that went out yesterday.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/a-letter-to-humza-yousaf/


And I will presume that many missed the set up of a new independence party, the Independence for Scotland Party, last week. In the main this is because of those who disagree with the proposed reforms of the Gender Recognition Act - and is separate from the possible Wings party because  of disagreement  as regards the reaction to the Salmond trial.

And yes, this is all a bit Judean's Peoples Front but it is still not being seen widely and the approval of the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon continue to be strong. Even on the day of the Wings article above unity was brought to the factions when Sarah Smith on the BBC stated twice that Nicola was 'enjoying' the crisis. There has since been a rather mealy mouthed apology tweet from Sarah.
 

[Owlswing]

All very odd

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/alex-salmonds-lawyer-claims-recording-of-him-discussing-case-was-a-set-up-rmwfd88hf?shareToken=024c13d030e2f5956146775ef4aeecc8

OH DAMNN! I left it too late and now you have to pay to see it!

Hey ho!

[Nearly Sane]

OH DAMNN! I left it too late and now you have to pay to see it!

Hey ho!

If you register, you get 2 free columns a week

[Owlswing]

 If you register, you get 2 free columns a week

Actually I hate the Times with a passion - My father - may he rot in Hell (assuming such aplace exists - which I seriously doubt) took the Times/Sunday times every morning for every single day I knerw him. He used to do the Times Crossword with a fountain pen and came third, fifth and six tenths in the Times criossword competition - if he is -  was to be believed and, I regret to say, I still shuuder every time I see the paper on sale.

[Nearly Sane]

Actually I hate the Times with a passion - My father - may he rot in Hell (assuming such aplace exists - which I seriously doubt) took the Times/Sunday times every morning for every single day I knerw him. He used to do the Times Crossword with a fountain pen and came third, fifth and six tenths in the Times criossword competition - if he is -  was to be believed and, I regret to say, I still shuuder every time I see the paper on sale.

I hate tons of stuff with a passion but it doesn't mean it is wrong.

[Owlswing]

I hate tons of stuff with a passion but it doesn't mean it is wrong.

The stuff or hating it?

Sorry, I was just offering a reason why I was not following up on getting a look at the artyicle.

[Nearly Sane]

The stuff or hating it?

Sorry, I was just offering a reason why I was not following up on getting a look at the artyicle.

Doesn't really matter. You are indulging in the ad hominem fallacy

[Owlswing]

 Doesn't really matter. You are indulging in the ad hominem fallacy

OK - please explain WTF the ad hominem fallacy is and how am I indulging in it?

This is a serious question, by the way!

[jeremyp]

I hate tons of stuff with a passion but it doesn't mean it is wrong.

But it might mean you are loathe to part with your email address for them.