Lawrence Krauss

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Well clearly we knew since we had a thread about it back in March.

I'm not talking about the Z list antitheists on religionethics.

[jeremyp]

I'm not talking about the Z list antitheists on religionethics.

Please tell us what special qualifications are required of people whom you will accept as an answer to "who knew?"

[Rhiannon]

The victim for one, but Vlad doesn't seem to give a shit about exploiting her distress for his own satisfaction.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The victim for one, but Vlad doesn't seem to give a shit about exploiting her distress for his own satisfaction.

You are the one who wants people to...and I quote 'shut up' about this.

[Maeght]

OK.....once more with feeling...…….Who knew?...……….. What did they know?...……….when did they know?

Don't know. Do you?

[Rhiannon]

You are the one who wants people to...and I quote 'shut up' about this.

No, I suggested it because you are making yourself look like an arse.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Don't know. Do you?

No, but how can the world of celebrity scepticism escape the march of hashtag Me Too?

[Rhiannon]

No, but how can the world of celebrity scepticism escape the march of hashtag Me Too?

It hasn't. He's been found out.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

It hasn't. He's been found out.

He has...but again....who knew?.....what did they know?....when did they know it?....and what was done?

[Rhiannon]

He has...but again....who knew?.....what did they know?....when did they know it?....and what was done?

Do you need someone to explain the article to you?

[Maeght]

He has...but again....who knew?.....what did they know?....when did they know it?....and what was done?

Why are you asking us?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Do you need someone to explain the article to you?

No it explains the course of action being taken at the moment by Arizona state university regarding an incident at The Australian skeptics convention in 2016.

At first the university took no action but apparently reopened the case

Now the point is although the action has been taken by Krauss's university. The incident occurred at a Skeptics convention. The organisers of the event have refused to have Krauss back. Their statement does I move make interesting reading and IMHO is of a completely different approach to that demonstrated by many on this forum. They mention in their statement of policy on sexual harassment that in banning Krauss from their events they experienced opposition from other skeptics.

[jeremyp]

They mention in their statement of policy on sexual harassment that in banning Krauss from their events they experienced opposition from other skeptics.

Who were not in possession of the full facts. What is your point?

[ProfessorDavey]

He has...but again....who knew?.....what did they know?....when did they know it?....and what was done?

I think that is all answered in the news article and the letter/report of the investigation linked to it. I'm not sure what else you are expecting.

Incident occurred - Nov 2016
Complaint raised to the University in July 2017 - investigation was carried out that concluded that there was insufficient evidence for action
New witnesses and new evidence identified in Feb 2018, investigation re-opened
re-opened investigation concludes that he violated their code ACD401 - case closed July 2018

[ippy]

Be Rational thinks that Dawkins is not a suitable topic for discussion on a board about Atheism!!!

You didn't give Anthony Grayling a mention Vlad?

Regards ippy.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I think that is all answered in the news article and the letter/report of the investigation linked to it. I'm not sure what else you are expecting.

Incident occurred - Nov 2016
Complaint raised to the University in July 2017 - investigation was carried out that concluded that there was insufficient evidence for action
New witnesses and new evidence identified in Feb 2018, investigation re-opened
re-opened investigation concludes that he violated their code ACD401 - case closed July 2018

So.….Do you think that's the last well hear of Krauss then?

[ProfessorDavey]

So.….Do you think that's the last well hear of Krauss then?

No - why should it be

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No - why should it be

I wonder if the antitheist community will rehabilitate him.

[Rhiannon]

I wonder if the antitheist community will rehabilitate him.

What community is that then?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

What community is that then?

Antitheist, atheist and skeptic groups he has been associated with including the BHA and NSS...although I'm not sure whether the latter two have disassociated themselves from him although Krauss is no longer on the list of honorary Associates of the NSS.


Krauss was a leading celebrated proponent of the old religion makes good people bad business and even declared that science made people good.


Such zeal as the American Humanist associations have pointed out has led, according to them, to atheists overlooking behaviour in order to support zeal.


Are you of the opinion that the circles he has moved in should take him back into their bosom?

[Rhiannon]

Antitheist, atheist and skeptic groups he has been associated with including the BHA and NSS...although I'm not sure whether the latter two have disassociated themselves from him although Krauss is no longer on the list of honorary Associates of the NSS.


Krauss was a leading celebrated proponent of the old religion makes good people bad business and even declared that science made people good.


Such zeal as the American Humanist associations have pointed out has led, according to them, to atheists overlooking behaviour in order to support zeal.


Are you of the opinion that the circles he has moved in should take him back into their bosom?

Still not seeing a community here.

[ProfessorDavey]

Antitheist, atheist and skeptic groups he has been associated with including the BHA and NSS...although I'm not sure whether the latter two have disassociated themselves from him although Krauss is no longer on the list of honorary Associates of the NSS.


Krauss was a leading celebrated proponent of the old religion makes good people bad business and even declared that science made people good.


Such zeal as the American Humanist associations have pointed out has led, according to them, to atheists overlooking behaviour in order to support zeal.


Are you of the opinion that the circles he has moved in should take him back into their bosom?

Each organisation will take a view based on their own individual policies and procedures. Remember that Krause was deemed to be on University business at the time of the incident and was therefore subject to disciplinary proceedings by his university. That is now complete and sanction applied by his employer. Whether any other organisation feels that they should (under their policies and procedures) also apply sanctions to him is up to them.

[ippy]

Antitheist, atheist and skeptic groups he has been associated with including the BHA and NSS...although I'm not sure whether the latter two have disassociated themselves from him although Krauss is no longer on the list of honorary Associates of the NSS.


Krauss was a leading celebrated proponent of the old religion makes good people bad business and even declared that science made people good.


Such zeal as the American Humanist associations have pointed out has led, according to them, to atheists overlooking behaviour in order to support zeal.


Are you of the opinion that the circles he has moved in should take him back into their bosom?

Just thinking Vlad, L K could be a mass murderer but it wouldn't make a shred of difference to the rightness or wrongness of his point of view about religion.

Regards ippy

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Further on Krauss
https://physicsworld.com/a/allegation-hit-physicist-lawrence-krauss-announces-retirement/

Also this

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/10/lawrence-krauss-sexual-misconduct-me-too-arizona-state/573844/

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Has anyone else noticed that sexual misconduct allegations against a Scottish politician are fair game for any comment  and yet those against a prominent anti theist were not considered a valid subject of comment.