EU proposes ending daylight saving

[ProfessorDavey]

Good point, but why not on the Sundays nearest the equinoxes?

Nope too little BST. No-one complains about it being too dark in October, so if that's OK then we can put the hour forearm in mid Feb. So best would be 5 weeks before (Spring) and after (Autumn) the equinox.

There is nothing more frustrating than it being solidly light at 5:30 in the morning in late March and then finding it gets dark at 6:30 in the evening before you're home from work.

[Roses]

Take as much exception as you like. Indeed, I have a few large exceptions that you could take. They will need a big van though.

So you think it ok to make an unpleasant racist comment using the awful 'n' word do you?

[Nearly Sane]

It was a sarcastic joke, not an actual racist comment.

I forget my burning the  ceremonial nigger emoji🎆

[Nearly Sane]

So you think it ok to make an unpleasant racist comment using the awful 'n' word do you?

I think it is ok to mock people who are racist using any word. 

[Anchorman]

whatever time you decide it is makes no difference to doing that

Trust me, it does if you have to take a quad up the knowe in he early morning. Don't forget that lambing starts in late December in the Southern Uplands.

[Nearly Sane]

Trust me, it does if you have to take a quad up the knowe in he early morning. Don't forget that lambing starts in late December in the Southern Uplands.

No, it really doesn't. There are x number of daylight hours. Calling them different numbers makes no difference to that.

[Roses]

I forget my burning the  ceremonial nigger emoji🎆

The 'n' word has such terrible connotations it should never be used even when mocking racists, imo.

[Rhiannon]

So you think it ok to make an unpleasant racist comment using the awful 'n' word do you?

Yeah, he's a bit of an awful c word, isn't he?

[Nearly Sane]

The 'n' word has such terrible connotations it should never be used even when mocking racists, imo.

Why? And since I'm not a racist and didn't make a racist comment, any chance of an apology for you using the 'r' word?


As an aside can we only ever have 26 words in English that are 'first letter words'? Or could you have combinations?

[Nearly Sane]

Yeah, he's a bit of an awful c word, isn't he?

'F' word me, and I was thinking I was merely a 'B' word. At times though I can be a bit big 'M' small 'f' er word. Could be worse I could be a JRM word!

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I would prefer the clocks to be the same all the year round, but I doubt this would be popular with people much further north than us.

The further north you go the days are so long changing the clocks is meaningless. It's just a pain in the arse.

[Roses]

Why? And since I'm not a racist and didn't make a racist comment, any chance of an apology for you using the 'r' word?


As an aside can we only ever have 26 words in English that are 'first letter words'? Or could you have combinations?
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Using the 'n' word is racist, whether you think so or not.  I don't think it does the reputation of this forum any good at all if you use it in whatever context.

[Roses]

The further north you go the days are so long changing the clocks is meaningless. It's just a pain in the arse.

Quite a number of people, who live in the north, have made that comment I have noticed.

[Nearly Sane]

Why? And since I'm not a racist and didn't make a racist comment, any chance of an apology for you using the 'r' word?


As an aside can we only ever have 26 words in English that are 'first letter words'? Or could you have combinations?

Using the 'n' word is racist, whether you think so or not.  I don't think it does the reputation of this forum any good at all if you use it in whatever context.

Words in themselves are not racist, They are only a set of symbols or noises. If intent in using the word is meaningless then all language becomes pointless

[Nearly Sane]

The further north you go the days are so long changing the clocks is meaningless. It's just a pain in the arse.

Or so short.

[Roses]

Using the 'n' word is racist, whether you think so or not.  I don't think it does the reputation of this forum any good at all if you use it in whatever context.

Words in themselves are not racist, They are only a set of symbols or noises. If intent in using the word is meaningless then all language becomes pointless

In your head maybe. Anyway as this is way off topic, I suggest you start another thread on racism.

[Nearly Sane]

In your head maybe. Anyway as this is way off topic, I suggest you start another thread on racism.

  I note the lack of argument, and that it is you objecting. You want a discussion on your challenge to me, off you go and raise it.

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Or so short.

Indeed.

[Spud]

My body clock has gone back to GMT already 

[Shaker]

My body clock needs new batteries, I think 

[Nearly Sane]

Since the experiment ran 50 years ago, the world has changed. Travelling times are different, the structure of the working day is changed. AS ad_o notes, the further north you go the less it makes any difference.

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I really don't know why EU countries can't each decide what they want to do. The EU has 4 or 5 time zones so we already have countries on different times anyway.

[Roses]

During WW2 they had double summer time the clocks were put on 2hrs. I think they stayed like that all year round, but no doubt I will be corrected if I got that wrong.

[Anchorman]

No, it really doesn't. There are x number of daylight hours. Calling them different numbers makes no difference to that.

Farmers need to feed the stock in the hills. That means taking a load up a steep hill in winter - sometimes hairy at the best of times, given the climate.
Add on trying to do it in low light conditions and the problem's even worse.
Sheep don't live by the clock, but by the light level, and if the first feed they get is at nine thirty, then that can cause premature abortion.
The only alternative is to bring the whole flock into a barn....but if you're dealing with a flock of over a thousand, you need a bloomin' big barn!
Last year, several farmers were injured on the hills in daylight. Can you imagine how many more would suffer broken limbs in the gloaming before full light over the hills at ten o'clock?

[Nearly Sane]

Farmers need to feed the stock in the hills. That means taking a load up a steep hill in winter - sometimes hairy at the best of times, given the climate.
Add on trying to do it in low light conditions and the problem's even worse.
Sheep don't live by the clock, but by the light level, and if the first feed they get is at nine thirty, then that can cause premature abortion.
The only alternative is to bring the whole flock into a barn....but if you're dealing with a flock of over a thousand, you need a bloomin' big barn!
Last year, several farmers were injured on the hills in daylight. Can you imagine how many more would suffer broken limbs in the gloaming before full light over the hills at ten o'clock?

So if they live by the light level then you take the action allowed by the light. Again what time we call it by number is entirely irrelevant.