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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2018, 08:16:36 AM »
And I have to say...…..He was very, very....drunk!

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2018, 08:20:00 AM »
And I have to say...…..He was very, very....drunk!
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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2018, 08:33:04 AM »
It wasn't a pub crawl either. They were taking in local culture.

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2018, 10:45:42 AM »
Disappointing it wasn't Laura, (in spite of brexit or because of brexit), Kuenssberg that got punched in the face, not that I would want to promote punching any one, other than those involved in the sport of boxing.

ippy

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2018, 10:48:03 AM »
Disappointing it wasn't Laura, (in spite of brexit or because of brexit), Kuenssberg that got punched in the face, not that I would want to promote punching any one, other than those involved in the sport of boxing.

ippy
That reads as a very unpleasant and misogynistic comment.

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2018, 10:54:06 AM »
Disappointing it wasn't Laura, (in spite of brexit or because of brexit), Kuenssberg that got punched in the face, not that I would want to promote punching any one, other than those involved in the sport of boxing.

ippy


What a horrible thing to say! :o
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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2018, 11:05:10 AM »
Punching women. Hilarious.

Is that supposed to be a blow for equality?

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2018, 11:19:46 AM »
I think "hilarious" might be over-egging it but it's faintly amusing. At least I find it faintly amusing when i talk about punching people I am never going to actually punch.
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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2018, 11:23:51 AM »
I think "hilarious" might be over-egging it but it's faintly amusing. At least I find it faintly amusing when i talk about punching people I am never going to actually punch.

A man punching a woman?

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2018, 11:35:29 AM »
In real life I would not find it funny to see a man punching a woman or a woman punching a man, outside a boxing ring. Having witnessed both I found both equally horrible as neither victim hit back - it just wasn't in either victim's nature to be violent and the unfairness of someone taking advantage of that and showing no mercy was what made it worse. At least if 2 people are fighting each other it doesn't seem so jarring.

But as a remark that is not seriously intended, I don't have a problem with a man talking about punching a woman, unless of course he wanted to punch her because she was a woman rather than because she was an annoying human being who happened to be a woman.

I sometimes talk about punching my kids....to their face. And one or the other of them sometimes jumps me. But it's a joke....so long as I win.
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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2018, 11:42:49 AM »
In real life I would not find it funny to see a man punching a woman or a woman punching a man, outside a boxing ring. Having witnessed both I found both equally horrible as neither victim hit back - it just wasn't in either victim's nature to be violent and the unfairness of someone taking advantage of that and showing no mercy was what made it worse. At least if 2 people are fighting each other it doesn't seem so jarring.

But as a remark that is not seriously intended, I don't have a problem with a man talking about punching a woman, unless of course he wanted to punch her because she was a woman rather than because she was an annoying human being who happened to be a woman.

I sometimes talk about punching my kids....to their face. And one or the other of them sometimes jumps me. But it's a joke....so long as I win.

I think maybe this needs to be seen in the context of the fact that Ippy is a man, and the people involved are men, and also that Kuenssberg has received so many rape and death threats that she needs her own security to attend political events. In a world in which 'joke' comments make women afraid to do their jobs properly, I don't find it funny.

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2018, 12:03:45 PM »
I think maybe this needs to be seen in the context of the fact that Ippy is a man, and the people involved are men, and also that Kuenssberg has received so many rape and death threats that she needs her own security to attend political events. In a world in which 'joke' comments make women afraid to do their jobs properly, I don't find it funny.
I'm fine with a man talking about punching a woman, provided it wasn't because she was a woman and he would say the same thing about punching a man. I wouldn't see the relevance of rape and death threats made by other people. to the comment made by Ippy. I saw it as Ippy being facetious. 

I actually find it worse that a man was talking about whether a female journalist was attractive enough to do her job.   
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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2018, 12:26:42 PM »
I'm fine with a man talking about punching a woman, provided it wasn't because she was a woman and he would say the same thing about punching a man. I wouldn't see the relevance of rape and death threats made by other people. to the comment made by Ippy. I saw it as Ippy being facetious. 

I actually find it worse that a man was talking about whether a female journalist was attractive enough to do her job.

Worse? No. Offensive? Undoubtedly.

Ippy's comment, if made say, with you and me sitting in a pub or in his front room would be mildly amusing to you and annoying to me. On social media though, it's a different thing. We may be a backwater of the internet in that sense, but it's still a public comment wishing violence on someone who needs security to do her job as it is. It wouldn't be acceptable on Twitter, it isn't here.

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2018, 12:59:42 PM »
Worse? No. Offensive? Undoubtedly.

Ippy's comment, if made say, with you and me sitting in a pub or in his front room would be mildly amusing to you and annoying to me. On social media though, it's a different thing. We may be a backwater of the internet in that sense, but it's still a public comment wishing violence on someone who needs security to do her job as it is. It wouldn't be acceptable on Twitter, it isn't here.
Maybe "amusing" would be the wrong word for me to use in either of those scenarios - I wouldn't take it seriously - I would see it as a facetious comment rather than something that would form part of an intelligent discussion.

Unless I thought he was serious about wishing she had been punched in which case I would be annoyed that the person was supporting a violent assault against someone just because they do not like the way that person carries out their job. But given Ippy said he was against punching people outside of a boxing ring, and given his pithy "humour" in the past, I figured he was expressing disapproval in a flippant way rather than actually wanting Laura to get punched. I could be wrong about that of course. But it doesn't come anywhere close to the kind of online trolling she has complained about. People wishing journalists (male or female) or even politicians would get punched is pretty tame and the target would just shrug it off. 
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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2018, 02:27:30 PM »
In real life I would not find it funny to see a man punching a woman or a woman punching a man, outside a boxing ring. Having witnessed both I found both equally horrible as neither victim hit back - it just wasn't in either victim's nature to be violent and the unfairness of someone taking advantage of that and showing no mercy was what made it worse. At least if 2 people are fighting each other it doesn't seem so jarring.

But as a remark that is not seriously intended, I don't have a problem with a man talking about punching a woman, unless of course he wanted to punch her because she was a woman rather than because she was an annoying human being who happened to be a woman.

I sometimes talk about punching my kids....to their face. And one or the other of them sometimes jumps me. But it's a joke....so long as I win.

Unusual Gabriella but I have to agree with you and this post of yours just about sums up my feelings toward Laura K.

I in my old fashioned way thought it was the reporters job to present the facts for us to make up our own minds about whatever we like to think about the reported news, perhaps someone should tell Laura K this, oh yes and in this case whatever the reporter's point of view happens to be about brexit.

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2018, 04:02:06 PM »
A lot of people disagree with her, Ippy.

Try asking a woman who has been punched by a man whether your statement is acceptable or not.

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2018, 04:09:31 PM »
Punching women. Hilarious.

Is that supposed to be a blow for equality?

I have had plates thrown in my face.

By a woman.

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2018, 04:11:52 PM »
I have had plates thrown in my face.

By a woman.

And the relevance of that is what?

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2018, 04:13:43 PM »
And the relevance of that is what?

I would have thought the relevance obvious.

But then you are a feminist.

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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2018, 04:14:41 PM »
I would have thought the relevance obvious.

But then you are a feminist.

Dirty word to you that, isn't it?

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2018, 04:26:15 PM »
A lot of people disagree with her, Ippy.

Try asking a woman who has been punched by a man whether your statement is acceptable or not.
I can understand that some women who have been punched by a man would find the statement unacceptable, and that's their right. I wouldn't generalise that to all women.

And I think it would get pretty boring for some of us on here if we had to consider the feelings of every victim who might potentially be reading this forum before we post flippant comments.

Also, women who box might not find it unacceptable. I've been punched in the face and got a fat lip and bruised jaw and I did not find the comment unacceptable because the comment didn't seem a genuinely held position - it seemed to be just a flippant remark.
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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2018, 04:52:10 PM »
Dirty word to you that, isn't it?

Yes.

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2018, 05:10:37 PM »
I can understand that some women who have been punched by a man would find the statement unacceptable, and that's their right. I wouldn't generalise that to all women.

And I think it would get pretty boring for some of us on here if we had to consider the feelings of every victim who might potentially be reading this forum before we post flippant comments.

Also, women who box might not find it unacceptable. I've been punched in the face and got a fat lip and bruised jaw and I did not find the comment unacceptable because the comment didn't seem a genuinely held position - it seemed to be just a flippant remark.

I think my comment was more about getting Ippy to see that there are other points of view and that actually some things aren't acceptable, or will be pushing it. I've no interest in making this place a 'safe space' though. It's good to be reminded sometimes that people are capable of holding views that are pretty disgusting. Not that I include Ippy in that.

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Re: Surgeon punched doctor in row over Laura Kuenssberg
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2018, 05:32:36 PM »
A lot of people disagree with her, Ippy.

Try asking a woman who has been punched by a man whether your statement is acceptable or not.

I've absolutely no doubt that you'll read something or other into whatever I was to say if I were to reply to this post of yours, so I'll leave it there.

Regrds ippy.