Brett Kavanaugh

[Rhiannon]

I’m not going to ask you to prove prayer works. But you can’t diss Owlswing’s position when you believe in the power of your own.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I’m not going to ask you to prove prayer works. But you can’t diss Owlswing’s position when you believe in the power of your own.

Owlswing position is that christians are wrong because they say their beliefs are more than faith.

The only way that position can be legitimately dissed is if Owlswing himself believes that what he holds is more than faith. An example being that there is real power in the hexes he talks about.
 This would be dissable on the grounds of hypocrisy and contradiction.

[Nearly Sane]

Just to note that Father Thomas as quoted in the article seems to think hexes work

'A Catholic priest and exorcist in California, Father Gary Thomas, planned to counter the spell by saying prayers for the justice at Mass.

"This is a conjuring of evil - not about free speech," Father Thomas told the National Catholic Register.'

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Just to note that Father Thomas as quoted in the article seems to think hexes work

'A Catholic priest and exorcist in California, Father Gary Thomas, planned to counter the spell by saying prayers for the justice at Mass.

"This is a conjuring of evil - not about free speech," Father Thomas told the National Catholic Register.'

Father Thomas certainly isn't dissing a belief that there is power here.

My bet is we will never know whether Owlswing really believes there is real power or not.

[Nearly Sane]

Father Thomas certainly isn't dissing a belief that there is power here.

My bet is we will never know whether Owlswing really believes there is real power or not.

No, he's (Thomas) clearly stating that it works. Why would you counter something that didn't work?

[Roses]

Whilst I wish there was a spell that could be put on Kavanaugh and his bestie, Trump, to stop them doing any more harm, they have the same amount of credibility as exorcism hocus pocus, imo.

[Robbie]

No, he's (Thomas) clearly stating that it works. Why would you counter something that didn't work?

Could be psychologically helpful. I'm easily spooked. In my head I don't believe in 'hex' but if someone put one on me I'd be nervous. Another person doing something to counter it would help me feel better whether any of it worked or not.

[Nearly Sane]

Could be psychologically helpful. I'm easily spooked. In my head I don't believe in 'hex' but if someone put one on me I'd be nervous. Another person doing something to counter it would help me feel better whether any of it worked or not.

Except that isn't Thomas' position. He obviously thinks his stuff works to stop something he sees as working.

[Rhiannon]

Could be psychologically helpful. I'm easily spooked. In my head I don't believe in 'hex' but if someone put one on me I'd be nervous. Another person doing something to counter it would help me feel better whether any of it worked or not.

I once had a conversation with  woman who was convinced that she was cursed by a rival. When I explained to her how the 'mind game' or whatever you want to call it had been worked on her she didn't want to know. The only way she was going to be convinced that she was ok was to counter the curse so I gave her some suggestions as to deal with that. She'd no more been cursed than she was the queen of England.

I doubt very much though whether Kavanaugh needs any such reassurance.

[Rhiannon]

Except that isn't Thomas' position. He obviously thinks his stuff works to stop something he sees as working.

The man's having a blast. He knows jack about witchcraft mind, but he's still having a massive ego stroke.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

He knows jack about witchcraft mind,

Perhaps you could elucidate what you mean by 'Witchcraft mind'?

[Rhiannon]

Perhaps you could elucidate what you mean by 'Witchcraft mind'?

Oh Vlad...

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Oh Vlad...

Oh Vlad? Is that as in Oh Vlad, i'm about to get all Masonic?

[Rhiannon]

Oh Vlad? Is that as in Oh Vlad, i'm about to get all Masonic?

No, it's an 'oh, Vlad, you don't seem to understand colloquial English.'

I'm sure that it is a misunderstanding on your part though and not a wilful misinterpretation designed for effect. 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No, it's an 'oh, Vlad, you don't seem to understand colloquial English.'

I'm afraid I don't understand what you meant when you mentioned 'Witchcraft mind'. Why is it unreasonable to expect elucidation here?


Do you believe there is real power in the curse against Kavanaugh...that is, beyond the psychological?

[Rhiannon]

I'm afraid I don't understand what you meant when you mentioned 'Witchcraft mind'. Why is it unreasonable to expect elucidation here?


Do you believe there is real power in the curse against Kavanaugh...that is, beyond the psychological?

Oh ffs.

'Mind' as in 'mind you'. It's not difficult.

[Nearly Sane]

Oh ffs.

'Mind' as in 'mind you'. It's not difficult.

I think Vlad read it as the way people who practice witchcraft think, sort of like hive mind

[Robbie]

Except that isn't Thomas' position. He obviously thinks his stuff works to stop something he sees as working.

Well yes, some people really do believe in that stuff. I dunno whether Thomas does or not (is Thos 'Owswing'?), I hope not.

If evil minded people decided to 'hex' me, the very idea of anyone sending horrible thoughts my way in a formulaic manner, using words & phrases that they believe in, even if I don't, would be deeply disturbing.

I think Vlad read it as the way people who practice witchcraft think, sort of like hive mind

If you mean it was taken to mean they are 'of like mind', that's what I thought was meant. I dunno about the 'mind you' business. However......we're getting off the Kavanaugh point.

[Rhiannon]

If you mean it was taken to mean they are 'of like mind', that's what I thought was meant. I dunno about the 'mind you' business. However......we're getting off the Kavanaugh point.

What don't you know? Whether I am lying? Of course, that's what I do. Oh hang on...

[Rhiannon]

I think Vlad read it as the way people who practice witchcraft think, sort of like hive mind

Seriously? How odd.

I will phrase it again though seeing as I'm just a thick Londoner what don't talk right.

The priest clearly doesn't know very much about witchcraft but he's having a jolly good time regardless.

[Robbie]

What don't you know? Whether I am lying? Of course, that's what I do. Oh hang on...

Oh come on, I've never once thought you were lying. Not ever! You're the last person I'd think was lying. We may have misinterpreted eachother, I honestly didn't understand you but think someone (NS) explained it.

[Rhiannon]

Oh come on, I've never once thought you were lying. Not ever! You're the last person I'd think was lying. We may have misinterpreted eachother, I honestly didn't understand you but think someone (NS) explained it.

NS explained what Vlad thought I meant. It's just an expression that's in common usage, an abbreviated form of 'mind you' or 'by the way', I'm amazed anyone thought I was referring to the mind at all.

[Robbie]

Please accept my apologies for not understanding. I certainly never thought for one moment that you were lying. I now 'get' what you are saying as well as 'getting' NS's explanation.

[Rhiannon]

Please accept my apologies for not understanding. I certainly never thought for one moment that you were lying. I now 'get' what you are saying as well as 'getting' NS's explanation.

No worries. 

[jeremyp]

I can't believe we're having an argument about appending the word "mind" to a sentence. I've got a friend who does it all the time, but usually only in verbal communication, mind.