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« Reply #125 on: October 12, 2018, 10:18:33 PM »
I think he would tell them what he believes the bible teaches and leave it at that. I recently had some chats with a friend I've known for a long time who is gay, and I know he has liberal views but didn't talk about them. If he asked my view I would tell him but wouldn't expect him to share my view. The problem I have is when people are expected to promote promiscuity, homosexuality, gambling, alcohol or smoking in the work place. I am not responsible for someone self harming if I decline to endorse a particular lifestyle.

What? Why have you put homosexuality in with gambling etc and who promotes smoking in the workplace?

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« Reply #126 on: October 12, 2018, 10:30:03 PM »
They are all things I've encountered- how exactly is not important. I just wanted to make the point that if I for example decline to sell cigarettes on a regular basis at the shop where I sometimes work, it's not my responsibility if someone takes offense at that.

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« Reply #127 on: October 12, 2018, 10:34:56 PM »
They are all things I've encountered- how exactly is not important. I just wanted to make the point that if I for example decline to sell cigarettes on a regular basis at the shop where I sometimes work, it's not my responsibility if someone takes offense at that.
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« Reply #128 on: October 12, 2018, 10:39:50 PM »
I think he would tell them what he believes the bible teaches and leave it at that. I recently had some chats with a friend I've known for a long time who is gay, and I know he has liberal views but didn't talk about them. If he asked my view I would tell him but wouldn't expect him to share my view. The problem I have is when people are expected to promote promiscuity, homosexuality, gambling, alcohol or smoking in the work place. I am not responsible for someone self harming* if I decline to endorse a particular lifestyle.

* I'm refering to your mention of suicide

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Have you tried actually thinking about what you post before pressing 'post'? I think you should give it a go in order to avoid car crashes like the above.

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« Reply #129 on: October 12, 2018, 10:49:41 PM »
Sorry. Message modified.

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« Reply #130 on: October 12, 2018, 10:52:49 PM »
Sorry. Message modified.

So you have: unfortunately it is still a car crash.

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« Reply #131 on: October 13, 2018, 01:09:38 AM »
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Is someone asking him to sell gay sex? I'm confused.

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« Reply #132 on: October 13, 2018, 09:55:10 AM »
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. The problem I have is when people are expected to promote promiscuity, homosexuality, gambling, alcohol or smoking in the work place.

Surely you missed heterosexuality from this list?

That is you missed it if you wish to continue your misclassification of issues.

Homosexuality is an orientation.

Gambling, alcohol and smoking - can have aspects of addiction. Promiscuity can be a choice or an addiction.

Your statement makes about as much sense as saying apples taste better than a granite worktop.
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« Reply #133 on: October 13, 2018, 02:08:26 PM »
The problem I have is when people are expected to promote promiscuity, homosexuality, gambling, alcohol or smoking in the work place. I am not responsible for someone taking offense if I decline to endorse a particular lifestyle.
Come to my workplace. You are not expected to promote any of those things there, but you are also not expected to promote heterosexuality, celibacy, abstinence from gambling, temperance, or not smoking. Also, promoting your religion is definitely banned.
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« Reply #134 on: October 13, 2018, 03:05:06 PM »
The problem I have is when people are expected to promote promiscuity, homosexuality, gambling, alcohol or smoking in the work place.
What kind of workplaces do that? Certainly not any I've worked in which are completely neutral on sexuality, on the basis that it is a private matter and nothing to do with them as an employer.

There are certain workplaces however that promote the view that homosexuality is wrong - in other words bringing a private matter into the workplace - these workplaces are many faith schools and churches.

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« Reply #136 on: October 13, 2018, 04:34:51 PM »
OK would you care to be in this workplace?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6270855/BBC-issues-badges-staff-promote-LGBT-issues-bid-tackle-heteronormative-culture.html

Why not?

It would have been much better for me in my work life, rather than having to confront bigotry on my own earlier in my career. But sure lets have a workplace where it is ok to verbally abuse gay people, so much better for morale dont you know.
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« Reply #137 on: October 13, 2018, 05:00:55 PM »
Is someone asking him to sell gay sex? I'm confused.

What kind of workplaces do that? Certainly not any I've worked in which are completely neutral on sexuality, on the basis that it is a private matter and nothing to do with them as an employer.

There are certain workplaces however that promote the view that homosexuality is wrong - in other words bringing a private matter into the workplace - these workplaces are many faith schools and churches.

Unfortunately you can't leave your conscience at home when you go to work.

Once my boss got seriously cross because I refused to regularly deliver a gay magazine to a customer on my paper round. I objected to the content of the magazine, I hadn't even met the customer, so why did my boss go mental?

If I was a taxi driver and a customer asked if I would take him to a gay night club every Tuesday, I would do it the first time but decline to make it a regular contract. Currently it appears that anyone in this position could be sued for discrimination in cases like this (of which there could be many). This is what I was thinking in my previous message.

The reason I included smoking and alcohol is because I occasionally help out on a shop till where I have to be prepared to sell both. Over the years I have seen customers lose most of their teeth from smoking, I have also seen someone lose their memory while addicted to wine. The law is more geared towards preventing addiction though the Challenge 25 system, but I hate when someone wants 2 packets of cigs or a six-pack of lager, as I know what it will do to them.

Pornography is also available at the shop, as are the National Lottery and instant lottery tickets. Needless to say I rarely work on the till and stick to other roles.

What I said still stands: if someone doesn't want to provide a service on grounds of conscience, they are not responsible for someone else taking offence. The intention is not to offend but to keep one's own conscience clear.

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« Reply #138 on: October 13, 2018, 05:17:03 PM »
Spud,

Being homosexual doesn't make people' teeth fall out.

Just saying...

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« Reply #139 on: October 13, 2018, 06:05:09 PM »
Unfortunately you can't leave your conscience at home when you go to work.

No, but then your active disapproval of stuff doesn't necessarily belong in the workplace.

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Once my boss got seriously cross because I refused to regularly deliver a gay magazine to a customer on my paper round. I objected to the content of the magazine, I hadn't even met the customer, so why did my boss go mental?

Might it be because you weren't doing your job properly by not just getting on with the job of delivering magazines as required and paid for by customers?

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If I was a taxi driver and a customer asked if I would take him to a gay night club every Tuesday, I would do it the first time but decline to make it a regular contract. Currently it appears that anyone in this position could be sued for discrimination in cases like this (of which there could be many). This is what I was thinking in my previous message.

The reason I included smoking and alcohol is because I occasionally help out on a shop till where I have to be prepared to sell both. Over the years I have seen customers lose most of their teeth from smoking, I have also seen someone lose their memory while addicted to wine. The law is more geared towards preventing addiction though the Challenge 25 system, but I hate when someone wants 2 packets of cigs or a six-pack of lager, as I know what it will do to them.

Pornography is also available at the shop, as are the National Lottery and instant lottery tickets. Needless to say I rarely work on the till and stick to other roles.

What I said still stands: if someone doesn't want to provide a service on grounds of conscience, they are not responsible for someone else taking offence. The intention is not to offend but to keep one's own conscience clear.

Perhaps you are in the wrong job, Spud: perhaps you should apply for the post of Gatekeeper at Cloud Cuckoo Land! Alternatively you could mind your own business and do your job without passing judgment on others. Just out of interest, what does your conscience say about your own intolerance?

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« Reply #140 on: October 13, 2018, 06:18:46 PM »
Enough of this fuckshittery.

Spud are you willing to allow a gay doctor to withhold life saving treatment for you on their moral grounds, because they have read your posts on here equating homosexuality with addiction.

If not, STFU.
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« Reply #141 on: October 13, 2018, 08:11:13 PM »

Once my boss got seriously cross because I refused to regularly deliver a gay magazine to a customer on my paper round. I objected to the content of the magazine,
So you read it then.
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I hadn't even met the customer, so why did my boss go mental?
1. Reading your customers' magazines.

2. Refusing to do your job.

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If I was a taxi driver and a customer asked if I would take him to a gay night club every Tuesday, I would do it the first time but decline to make it a regular contract. Currently it appears that anyone in this position could be sued for discrimination in cases like this (of which there could be many). This is what I was thinking in my previous message.
Don't know if this is true everywhere, but in one taxi I've been in, the driver said he would lose his licence if he refused to take me where I wanted to go, within the area covered by it.

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What I said still stands: if someone doesn't want to provide a service on grounds of conscience, they are not responsible for someone else taking offence. The intention is not to offend but to keep one's own conscience clear.

Back in the day, a Roman governor by the name of Pliny the Younger wrote some letters to his emperor describing how frustrated he was by Christians. Apparently, rather than acknowledge the aforementioned emperor as a deity, they'd rather go to their deaths. Think about that: they'd rather die than give in on a matter of conscience.

Today's Christians think it's an outrage that they should even resign their jobs over a matter of conscience. If you can't do the duties reasonably expected of you in your job: quit. Second century Christians would be rolling in their graves at the spinelessness of the modern shower.
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« Reply #142 on: October 14, 2018, 01:34:40 AM »
Jeremy,
Christians in those days had met the messiah, were more braver because of this

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« Reply #143 on: October 14, 2018, 09:04:53 AM »
Jeremy,
Christians in those days had met the messiah, were more braver because of this

There is no evidence Jesus was anymore than a mere human being like the rest of us. If he was the long awaited messiah why didn't all the Jews recognise the guy as such, instead of a few sycophants?
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« Reply #144 on: October 14, 2018, 09:43:36 AM »
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Christians in those days had met the messiah, were more braver because of this

Excuses, excuses.  ::)

And more braver? Just braver, or at a push more brave.
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« Reply #145 on: October 14, 2018, 10:00:01 AM »
Spud you have a mental block on this subject. Think outside the box.
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« Reply #146 on: October 14, 2018, 01:23:49 PM »
Why not?

It would have been much better for me in my work life, rather than having to confront bigotry on my own earlier in my career. But sure lets have a workplace where it is ok to verbally abuse gay people, so much better for morale dont you know.

Do you really want to submerge your own identity within the transsexuals agenda?

Fair enough, that is another discussion. I am not entirely unsympathetic to the point that you make, I remember the former CPSA carrying out a members survey of sexual harrassment in the eighties, when the results were processed, the majority of complaints were from gay men complaining about their rude female colleagues making derogatory comments about their sexuality. It did make the leadership stop, think, and reassess their approach to the issue.

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« Reply #147 on: October 14, 2018, 01:38:41 PM »
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Christians in those days had met the messiah, were more braver because of this

No they hadn't. The incident to which I refer happened in around 112.

In any case, I thought all you Christians have met Christ.
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« Reply #148 on: October 14, 2018, 01:44:39 PM »
No they hadn't. The incident to which I refer happened in around 112.

In any case, I thought all you Christians have met Christ.

I think that you will find that Christians have come to know Christ, rather than to have met him.

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« Reply #149 on: October 14, 2018, 01:46:14 PM »
I think that you will find that Christians have come to know Christ, rather than to have met him.
All the same, surely that would give you enough bravery to resign a job you couldn't perform correctly due to a matter of conscience.
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