Same Sex Marriage Re-Visited.

[Roses]

Why not? Why wasn't the death of Tutankhamun better recorded? Why wasn't the suicide of Cleopatra recorded by more than one source? Why is there only one account of Cearsar's first invasion of britain? Because that's all we have. That does not mean that there were more accounts - all it means is that those accounts are all we have.

Your reply doesn't answer my question.

[Nearly Sane]

Moderator While much of this is a path we have oft travelled, little to do with same sex marriage, so please shuffle back to vaguely on topic.

[jeremyp]

Such as?

Well Spud’s paper round where he refused to deliver gay magazines springs immediately to mind.

[jeremyp]

He is a character in the Bible that is all. Even though believers think he is around somewhere in the ether, there is no evidence to support that idea.

Yes, I agree, but please let it go. This thread is not about whether Christ is still alive or not.

[jeremyp]

I was quite brave because three of the staff were angry but I still went back the next morning.

Bravery would have been resigning from your job because your conscience wouldn’t let you do it. Making other people angtry because they have to pick up the slack from you refusing to do your jobs is not brave.

[jeremyp]

Moderator While much of this is a path we have oft travelled, little to do with same sex marriage, so please shuffle back to vaguely on topic.

Thank you. You have just saved me from writing a potentially ban worthy post.

[Spud]

Bravery would have been resigning from your job because your conscience wouldn’t let you do it. Making other people angtry because they have to pick up the slack from you refusing to do your jobs is not brave.

So do you think Ashers bakery should have closed, and ministers should resign from conducting marriage ceremonies?

[Spud]

If they had insisted that I kept delivering it, I would probably have resigned.

[Rhiannon]

If they had insisted that I kept delivering it, I would probably have resigned.

Why did you refuse to deliver it?

[Spud]

Why did you refuse to deliver it?

Because I did not want to encourage the customer to practice homosexuality.

[Gordon]

Because I did not want to encourage the customer to practice homosexuality.

Their sexual orientation is none of your business, Spud: you're just the paper-boy!

[Aruntraveller]

Because I did not want to encourage the customer to practice homosexuality.

You see you could have refused to have delivered the Daily Mail. Much more effective - it would have helped eradicate the practice of bigotry. Oh sorry, forgot that's not what you are working towards.

[Rhiannon]

Because I did not want to encourage the customer to practice homosexuality.

You wouldn't be doing that though, would you? People don't buy a magazine about cars to find out if they like cars, it's because they already drive them.

You don't know much about sexuality, do you?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

You wouldn't be doing that though, would you? People don't buy a magazine about cars to find out if they like cars, it's because they already drive them.

You don't know much about sexuality, do you?

Ok Rhia, what if Spud was a female who did not want to deliver a copy of Playboy?

[Rhiannon]

Ok Rhia, what if Spud was a female who did not want to deliver a copy of Playboy?

He/she should get on with it and do his/her job.

Although that is a fair point. Did Spud deliver porn mags? Don’t they encourage sinful behaviour too?

[Roses]

Because I did not want to encourage the customer to practice homosexuality.

What a pathetic statement. What if someone tried to discourage you from being a heterosexual, which I presume you are, unless of course you are a gay in denial?.

[Aruntraveller]

He/she should get on with it and do his/her job.

Although that is a fair point. Did Spud deliver porn mags? Don’t they encourage sinful behaviour too?

Although he could have been refusing to deliver a gay publication that wasn't porn - Gay Times, Attitude, Pink News etc.

[Rhiannon]

Although he could have been refusing to deliver a gay publication that wasn't porn - Gay Times, Attitude, Pink News etc.

Talk to Humph. He's the one equating gay mags with Playboy.

[Spud]

Although he could have been refusing to deliver a gay publication that wasn't porn - Gay Times, Attitude, Pink News etc.

It was indeed one of those. I haven't heard from jeremy re: #181 yet. Should all Christians resign and become gardeners when asked to support the practise of homosexuality at work.

[Gordon]

It was indeed one of those. I haven't heard from jeremy re: #181 yet. Should all Christians resign and become gardeners when asked to support the practise of homosexuality at work.

I suspect your word order may cause confusion here, Spud, since I doubt there are few places where people who are 'at work' are asked to support the practice of any form of sexuality, aside obviously from those involved in the sex industry.

If you mean that while in the course of your job that you should be able to decline to deliver or sell newspapers and magazines you personally disapprove of then you are clearly in the wrong job: tell me Spud, would you decline to sell me my usual Saturday copy of The Racing Post?

[Rhiannon]

It was indeed one of those. I haven't heard from jeremy re: #181 yet. Should all Christians resign and become gardeners when asked to support the practise of homosexuality at work.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'supporting the practice of homosexuality at work', unless you mean 'not discriminating against gay people'. But you don't seem to be aware that many Christians, if not most, don't care if someone is gay, don't care if they have a partner and view marriage equality as a chance to go to more parties. It's only a minority who can't accept it. But yes, if you can't not discriminate then you shouldn't be in a job that deals with customers or clients.

[jeremyp]

So do you think Ashers bakery should have closed, and ministers should resign from conducting marriage ceremonies?

No, I think Ashers bakery were within their rights to refuse this business. They took the decision not to take the customer's money. You, on the other hand, took the decision to accept your employer's money, so you should do the job you were contracted to.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Talk to Humph. He's the one equating gay mags with Playboy.

That is a bit of a leap, but since I derailed your football hooligan thread I will forgive you 

[Roses]

I am aware of three openly gay Christian clergy.

[Rhiannon]

I am aware of three openly gay Christian clergy.

Which isn't a problem - unless they want to have sex.