Same Sex Marriage Re-Visited.

[Roses]

Rhiannon has started a thread in the Philosophy section, about the worth of human life. There is a link to an article about the late Michael Young, sociologist and politician.  You might find it interesting LR.

I have seen it.

[Rhiannon]

Are people like Hindley and Brady equal to a good decent person who has spent their lives helping others?

Define 'decent person'.

[Roses]

Define 'decent person'.

I did.

[jeremyp]

Homosexual relationships cannot fulfill people

Yeah, that's bullshit.

As Anchorman says, the right place for sex is within marriage between a male and a female.

Gay people can now marry each other, so that's OK then.

[Rhiannon]

I did.

Remind me.

[Spud]

Spud, whatever you base your judgements on, it definitely isn’t experience.

Rather not say. However, when the good book says the two shall become one flesh, it is talking about a husband and wife.

[Rhiannon]

Rather not say. However, when the good book says the two shall become one flesh, it is talking about a husband and wife.

Not in my experience.

[jeremyp]

Rather not say. However, when the good book says the two shall become one flesh, it is talking about a husband and wife.

So the people who wrote the Bible were as wrong as you are. At least they have the excuse of living in less enlightened times.

[SteveH]

I did.

Just for once, she's right. She said "...who spends theor life helping others". It is helpful if you read a person's post properly before replying.

[Rhiannon]

Just for once, she's right. She said "...who spends theor life helping others". It is helpful if you read a person's post properly before replying.

I read it, and it’s such a crock of shite I was hoping she’d come up with something better when she repeated it.

[Robbie]

Methinks you're in for a long wait  .

[Spud]

You don't half talk some nonsense, of course a gay relationship can be a fulfilling as a straight one.

Sure, people can have fulfilling friendships with the same sex, but I meant that sexual activity outside male-female marriage (public lifelong commitment) is not fulfilling and would add that this is true despite some marriages not working out.

[Stranger]

Sure, people can have fulfilling friendships with the same sex, but I meant that sexual activity outside male-female marriage (public lifelong commitment) is not fulfilling and would add that this is true despite some marriages not working out.

And your reason for dismissing people with first hand experience of fulfilling gay sex (not to mention fulfilling sex outside marriage), in order to make this laughable assertion (apart from blind faith in a primitive superstition) is what, exactly?

[Spud]

And your reason for dismissing people with first hand experience of fulfilling gay sex (not to mention fulfilling sex outside marriage), in order to make this laughable assertion (apart from blind faith in a primitive superstition) is what, exactly?

Again, it's not something I am up for discussing, though I don't think the conclusion can be avoided by anyone who's done sex education at school.

[Roses]

Again, it's not something I am up for discussing, though I don't think the conclusion can be avoided by anyone who's done sex education at school.

And that conclusion is?


Thank goodness homosexuality, as well as heterosexuality, is being discussed in sex education classes these days.

[Rhiannon]

Sure, people can have fulfilling friendships with the same sex, but I meant that sexual activity outside male-female marriage (public lifelong commitment) is not fulfilling and would add that this is true despite some marriages not working out.

Oh but it is, Spud, trust me.

[Rhiannon]

Again, it's not something I am up for discussing, though I don't think the conclusion can be avoided by anyone who's done sex education at school.

That's tabs and slots, not technique.

[Stranger]

Again, it's not something I am up for discussing, though I don't think the conclusion can be avoided by anyone who's done sex education at school.

Whatever your own personal experience is, it cannot support your general assertion, which is obviously prejudiced. I'm 100% sure that people who have done sex education would dispute your daft claim as many of them are in fulfilling, same sex relationships.

You seem to be living in your own little, rather nasty and bigoted world.

[Enki]

Sure, people can have fulfilling friendships with the same sex, but I meant that sexual activity outside male-female marriage (public lifelong commitment) is not fulfilling and would add that this is true despite some marriages not working out.

You can think what you like, of course, but I see no reason to agree with you. Certainly, from a personal point of view, I can vouchsafe that sex outside marriage was as fulfilling as sex inside marriage(having experienced both). As regards gay sex, I have no reason at all to disbelieve Trent. I find your conclusions laughable and rather sad at the same time. Certainly they don't have anything of any significance in relating to sex education in schools, a subject which I have actually taught to 9-13 year olds in the past.

[jeremyp]

I meant that sexual activity outside male-female marriage (public lifelong commitment) is not fulfilling

And you know this how...?

In fact, I know for a fact that is false.

[Rhiannon]

I think that if you have convinced yourself that sex is only permissible within marriage, and you haven't actually got married yourself, then believing that people who are having sex outside of marriage are really having a miserable time must be a way of seeking consolation for what you are missing out on.

[jeremyp]

Again, it's not something I am up for discussing, though I don't think the conclusion can be avoided by anyone who's done sex education at school.

Have you had gay sex that wasn't fulfilling? Perhaps it wasn't fulfilling because you are not gay.

By the way, I did sex education at school (back in the early 80's). I don't think it told me anything about what sex is really like for either gay people or straight people.

[Rhiannon]

Have you had gay sex that wasn't fulfilling? Perhaps it wasn't fulfilling because you are not gay.

By the way, I did sex education at school (back in the early 80's). I don't think it told me anything about what sex is really like for either gay people or straight people.

I got my sex ed mostly from Just 17 magazine circa 1985 and they definitely said it was fulfilling for both. Although I do remember the school showing a Disney film about gonorrhoea.

[jeremyp]

I think that if you have convinced yourself that sex is only permissible within marriage, and you haven't actually got married yourself, then believing that people who are having sex outside of marriage are really having a miserable time must be a way of seeking consolation for what you are missing out on.

Or alternatively if you have convinced yourself that sex is only permissible within marriage, and you haven't actually got married yourself but you have had sex with somebody, the guilt you feel cuts into the experience and ruins it for you.

I think either of our hypothesis could explain Spud's attitude.

[Aruntraveller]

I got my sex ed mostly from Just 17 magazine circa 1985 and they definitely said it was fulfilling for both. Although I do remember the school showing a Disney film about gonorrhoea.

Disney made a film about gonorrhoea???