Same Sex Marriage Re-Visited.

[Rhiannon]

This is a bit off topic, but I have heard that Sainsburys is going to sell sex toys in its stores! 

Don’t worry, LR, you can use the self service checkout.

[jeremyp]

No, Spud, sex outside of monogamous marriage between a man and a woman is not associated with STDs. Why do you think that they are?

He thinks that everybody who has sex outside of marriage is promiscuous and would sleep with anything that moves.

[Robbie]

Yes but something could go wrong like the condom bursting, for instance.


This is a bit off topic, but I have heard that Sainsburys is going to sell sex toys in its stores! 

You find all the tit bits in the news! Where did you see that one? I'll never look a German sausage in the face again.

[Robbie]

Don’t worry, LR, you can use the self service checkout.

Unexpected item in the bagging area 

[Rhiannon]

Unexpected item in the bagging area 

 

[Sebastian Toe]

Nooooo..........I sent you to get dill and dough!!!!
 

[jeremyp]

Unexpected item in the bagging area 

I’ve never heard it called that before.

[Roses]

Oh dear!

[Spud]

Leaving aside the interesting concept of designing by chance.

This God of yours seems spectacularly bad at design. For example until modern healthcare  women were at an uncomfortably high risk of dying in childbirth. Why did God design women that way?

I don't have the answer, if I were a woman I might have tried to find it. Being a bloke I have been more interested in the other side of the curse on the ground (Genesis 3) - painful toil, in particular back pain. I was very grateful to Rhiannon for suggesting that I wear gloves to reduce the problem of "thorns and thistles" but I've also looked at back pain from a mechanical perspective. I've concluded that it is possible to avoid serious back injury. The spine is subject to the same forces that any upright column is. Repetitive forward flexion movements, for example, put stresses on the rear part of the spine which build up over time causing injury. But we also have pain sensation which warns us when this stress is building up. Arching backwards counters this. Theologically we can say that God designed the world so that we think of him as being above us (although this is only symbolic in the sense that he has authority "over" us). So once we start to look up towards God we are countering the stresses put on the spine through hard labour. I've found that looking into the sky directly above actually halts the onset of lower back pain.
This is of course to do with the force applied on the spine by the head, which weighs more than we think. Poor posture or excessive forward bending puts the head well in front of the body's center of gravity. Looking up at the sky (like a heffalump about to fall into a trap) moves the head over the center of gravity and relieves the spinal joints.
As well as this I think I've found a mechanical cure, or at least a preventative cure, for the common cold. I'm in the testing stage, so watch this space.
If we trust that God made everything "very good" (Genesis 1) it follows that he has designed us for a long and healthy life and there may be a way in which labor and childbirth can be done safely and without the pain that most women experience. Again, being a single bloke I haven't focused on a remedy for this problem yet. But I read that the native American Indians were observed to have much less difficulty giving birth. Apparently they used to stand up and let the baby fall into a pile of leaves.... Well that apparently increases the pelvic diameter...

You seem to be straying close to an unnatural=wrong equation. I dont see the issue myself. God appears to have made it perfectly possible for 2 men to have intercourse. Just because you have an issue with the type of intercourse is no reason to discount or deny it.

If you say so. I understand how it might be possible to be attracted to the same sex, and that this leads to the need to relieve sexual tension. This is again not something I can relate to and so I haven't focused on how someone can change their sexual orientation so that their reproductive organs can function be used for that purpose (I've been more preoccupied with back pain and cold viruses). But I'm sure that this must begin with trust that God made us for a certain purpose, in this case to be fruitfly and multiple. Please don't take offence at any of this, I am as imperfect as anyone else. I just wanted to answer your point.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't have the answer, if I were a woman I might have tried to find it. Being a bloke I have been more interested in the other side of the curse on the ground (Genesis 3) - painful toil, in particular back pain. I was very grateful to Rhiannon for suggesting that I wear gloves to reduce the problem of "thorns and thistles" but I've also looked at back pain from a mechanical perspective. I've concluded that it is possible to avoid serious back injury. The spine is subject to the same forces that any upright column is. Repetitive forward flexion movements, for example, put stresses on the rear part of the spine which build up over time causing injury. But we also have pain sensation which warns us when this stress is building up. Arching backwards counters this. Theologically we can say that God designed the world so that we think of him as being above us (although this is only symbolic in the sense that he has authority "over" us). So once we start to look upwards we are countering the stresses put on the spine through hard labour. I've found that looking into the sky directly above actually halts the onset of lower back pain.
This is of course to do with the force applied on the spine by the head, which weighs more than we think. Poor posture or excessive forward bending puts the head well in front of the body's center of gravity. Looking up at the sky (like a heffalump about to fall into a trap) moves the head over the center of gravity and relieves the spinal joints.
As well as this I think I've found a cure for the common cold. I'm in the testing stage, so watch this space.
If we trust that God made everything "very good" (Genesis 1) it follows that he has designed us for a long and healthy life and there may be a way in which labor and childbirth can be done safely and without the pain that most women experience. Again, being a single bloke I haven't focused on a remedy for this problem yet. But I read that the native American Indians were observed to have much less difficulty giving birth. Apparently they used to stand up and let the baby fall into a pile of leaves.... Well that apparently increases the pelvic diameter...

If you say so. I understand how it might be possible to be attracted to the same sex, and that this leads to the need to relieve sexual tension. This is again not something I can relate to and so I haven't focused on how someone can change their sexual orientation so that their reproductive organs can function be used for that purpose (I've been more preoccupied with back pain and cold viruses). But I'm sure that this must begin with trust that God made us for a certain purpose, in this case to be fruitfly and multiple. Please don't take offence at any of this, I am as imperfect as anyone else. I just wanted to answer your point.

None of this is at all relevant to you saying trent can't be fulfilled being gay, and is lying by stating he is fulfilled in a relationship. Stick to the point.

[Roses]

I don't have the answer, if I were a woman I might have tried to find it. Being a bloke I have been more interested in the other side of the curse on the ground (Genesis 3) - painful toil, in particular back pain. I was very grateful to Rhiannon for suggesting that I wear gloves to reduce the problem of "thorns and thistles" but I've also looked at back pain from a mechanical perspective. I've concluded that it is possible to avoid serious back injury. The spine is subject to the same forces that any upright column is. Repetitive forward flexion movements, for example, put stresses on the rear part of the spine which build up over time causing injury. But we also have pain sensation which warns us when this stress is building up. Arching backwards counters this. Theologically we can say that God designed the world so that we think of him as being above us (although this is only symbolic in the sense that he has authority "over" us). So once we start to look upwards we are countering the stresses put on the spine through hard labour. I've found that looking into the sky directly above actually halts the onset of lower back pain.
This is of course to do with the force applied on the spine by the head, which weighs more than we think. Poor posture or excessive forward bending puts the head well in front of the body's center of gravity. Looking up at the sky (like a heffalump about to fall into a trap) moves the head over the center of gravity and relieves the spinal joints.
As well as this I think I've found a cure for the common cold. I'm in the testing stage, so watch this space.
If we trust that God made everything "very good" (Genesis 1) it follows that he has designed us for a long and healthy life and there may be a way in which labor and childbirth can be done safely and without the pain that most women experience. Again, being a single bloke I haven't focused on a remedy for this problem yet. But I read that the native American Indians were observed to have much less difficulty giving birth. Apparently they used to stand up and let the baby fall into a pile of leaves.... Well that apparently increases the pelvic diameter...

If you say so. I understand how it might be possible to be attracted to the same sex, and that this leads to the need to relieve sexual tension. This is again not something I can relate to and so I haven't focused on how someone can change their sexual orientation so that their reproductive organs can function be used for that purpose (I've been more preoccupied with back pain and cold viruses). But I'm sure that this must begin with trust that God made us for a certain purpose, in this case to be fruitfly and multiple. Please don't take offence at any of this, I am as imperfect as anyone else. I just wanted to answer your point.

WOW I never ever thought god wanted me to be  a fruit fly!

[jeremyp]

But I'm sure that this must begin with trust that God made us for a certain purpose,

Yes, that was to tend his garden according to Genesis.

[Sebastian Toe]

Good luck with the cold cure thingy Spud.
Remember to patent it because if it works you will make millions I reckon!

[Aruntraveller]

I understand how it might be possible to be attracted to the same sex, and that this leads to the need to relieve sexual tension. This is again not something I can relate to and so I haven't focused on how someone can change their sexual orientation so that their reproductive organs can function be used for that purpose

That is a heck of a mess of a statement.

Firstly, you seem to be saying that I changed my sexual orientation, can I assure you I didn't.

Secondly, you are reducing my relationship to the level of relieving sexual tension. Yet again, wrong. I have two hands quite capable of fulfilling that particular function, thank you. My relationship with my partner is about a great many more things than sexual tension and the relief thereof.

As to your backache, due in most part to the fact that we now walk erect whereas our ancestors used to go around on all fours. God obviously wasn't bright enough to make changes to help us out.

[Spud]

That is a heck of a mess of a statement.

Firstly, you seem to be saying that I changed my sexual orientation, can I assure you I didn't.

Secondly, you are reducing my relationship to the level of relieving sexual tension. Yet again, wrong. I have two hands quite capable of fulfilling that particular function, thank you. My relationship with my partner is about a great many more things than sexual tension and the relief thereof.

As to your backache, due in most part to the fact that we now walk erect whereas our ancestors used to go around on all fours. God obviously wasn't bright enough to make changes to help us out.

I was replying to what you said. Sex with a man would be a consequence of sexual attraction to him, right? That doesn't mean you don't have a good relationship with him.

I added that I'm not same sex attracted and so haven't thought much about how one could change from same-sex to opposite-sex attraction. If I was gay, and I then changed orientation, I would be able to use my body in the way it was designed to be used. That's what would make sex fulfilling. Assuming it was part of a loving monogamous relationship of course.

The reference to healing of backache was to demonstrate that the body can put itself right given one takes the right action. I believe this would apply with childbirth and with same-sex attraction, which causes the reproductive organs to respond to people of the same sex rather than opposite sex.

There is no evidence that we are related to quadrupedal animals.

[Nearly Sane]

I was replying to what you said. Sex with a man would be a consequence of sexual attraction to him, right? That doesn't mean you don't have a good relationship with him.

I added that I'm not same sex attracted and so haven't thought much about how one could change from same-sex to opposite-sex attraction. If I was gay, and I then changed orientation, I would be able to use my body in the way it was designed to be used. That's what would make sex fulfilling. Assuming it was part of a loving monogamous relationship of course.

The reference to healing of backache was to demonstrate that the body can put itself right given one takes the right action. I believe this would apply with childbirth and with same-sex attraction, which causes the reproductive organs to respond to people of the same sex rather than opposite sex.

There is no evidence that we are related to quadrupedal animals.

You have said Trent cannot having a fulfilling relationship with his partner. Everything else here is just decoration around that ignorant piece of shite remark.

[Roses]

I was replying to what you said. Sex with a man would be a consequence of sexual attraction to him, right? That doesn't mean you don't have a good relationship with him.

I added that I'm not same sex attracted and so haven't thought much about how one could change from same-sex to opposite-sex attraction. If I was gay, and I then changed orientation, I would be able to use my body in the way it was designed to be used. That's what would make sex fulfilling. Assuming it was part of a loving monogamous relationship of course.

The reference to healing of backache was to demonstrate that the body can put itself right given one takes the right action. I believe this would apply with childbirth and with same-sex attraction, which causes the reproductive organs to respond to people of the same sex rather than opposite sex.

There is no evidence that we are related to quadrupedal animals.

YE GODS, you don't half talk some silly nonsense!

Sex is fulfilling in a good relationship, be it gay or straight, you don't seem to get that! You seem to think it is only for the procreation of children. Not everyone wants kids, like my youngest sister (60), an Anglican Priest, and her husband have a good marriage but had no wish to have any offspring.


Homosexuality is NOT an illness, so it doesn't need to be cured.

[Aruntraveller]

I added that I'm not same sex attracted and so haven't thought much about how one could change from same-sex to opposite-sex attraction.

Look this is nonsense. Have you thought about changing from opposite sex attraction to same sex attraction?

I bet you haven't. Because that is not the way sexuality works. You can't suddenly decide to be gay or straight. You just are. (And for others, I know it's not a binary choice here).

I can no more change my sexuality than I can my left handedness or any other immutable characteristics I have.

[Anchorman]

I was replying to what you said. Sex with a man would be a consequence of sexual attraction to him, right? That doesn't mean you don't have a good relationship with him. I added that I'm not same sex attracted and so haven't thought much about how one could change from same-sex to opposite-sex attraction. If I was gay, and I then changed orientation, I would be able to use my body in the way it was designed to be used. That's what would make sex fulfilling. Assuming it was part of a loving monogamous relationship of course. The reference to healing of backache was to demonstrate that the body can put itself right given one takes the right action. I believe this would apply with childbirth and with same-sex attraction, which causes the reproductive organs to respond to people of the same sex rather than opposite sex. There is no evidence that we are related to quadrupedal animals.

First; there's plenty of evidence to suggest we are related to quadrapedal animals. Heck, there's plenty of evidence to syggest we're related to radishes. It's called DNA. That does not negate the Christian position on sex outside the male-female bond ....for the Christian, Spud. It's not on...whether with a man, woman, chicken oy lamp post. It is, indeed, sin. So are a lot of things. But suggesting it can be a lifestyle choice, or can be 'cured' is on a par with suggesting I can cure the fact that I don't have a left eye. I can't. I can, however deal with it. I get really fed up with my fellow evangelicals who throw a wobbly every time the gay thing comes up. It happens in the animal kingdom as well; not a disability, not a lifestyle choice; just a thing. That's where faith comes in; faith to cope with the situation in the light of Scripture. You know as well as I do the attitude in most ancient cultures - Israel included - to disability in general, and blindness in particular. It was a mark of shame; some thought it was a mark of sin...though Jesus told them where to go as far as that went. Yet many, myself included, believe that Paul himself was suffering from extremely poor eyesight at the time of his trial before the Sanhedrin and his subsequent imprisonment...yet God chos to continue to use him in ways which changed, and still change,lives. Did God remove his visual impairment? Not that we can discern. Did this 'mark of shame' stop him in any way? Not a bit of it! Did he learn to live with it in the light of Scripture? Look for yourself. Same with sexuality, whether homosexual, heterosexual or promiscuity. Faith is the answer...not  condemnation.

[Nearly Sane]

First; there's plenty of evidence to suggest we are related to quadrapedal animals. Heck, there's plenty of evidence to syggest we're related to radishes. It's called DNA. That does not negate the Christian position on sex outside the male-female bond ....for the Christian, Spud. It's not on...whether with a man, woman, chicken oy lamp post. It is, indeed, sin. So are a lot of things. But suggesting it can be a lifestyle choice, or can be 'cured' is on a par with suggesting I can cure the fact that I don't have a left eye. I can't. I can, however deal with it. I get really fed up with my fellow evangelicals who throw a wobbly every time the gay thing comes up. It happens in the animal kingdom as well; not a disability, not a lifestyle choice; just a thing. That's where faith comes in; faith to cope with the situation in the light of Scripture. You know as well as I do the attitude in most ancient cultures - Israel included - to disability in general, and blindness in particular. It was a mark of shame; some thought it was a mark of sin...though Jesus told them where to go as far as that went. Yet many, myself included, believe that Paul himself was suffering from extremely poor eyesight at the time of his trial before the Sanhedrin and his subsequent imprisonment...yet God chos to continue to use him in ways which changed, and still change,lives. Did God remove his visual impairment? Not that we can discern. Did this 'mark of shame' stop him in any way? Not a bit of it! Did he learn to live with it in the light of Scripture? Look for yourself. Same with sexuality, whether homosexual, heterosexual or promiscuity. Faith is the answer...not  condemnation.

I love so much of throat but you just need to make the jump that if your God or the book of your God says that my friends in long term living homosexual relationships are sinning, then it makes no sense.

[Roses]

I am beginning to wonder if spud is a gay in denial. Maybe he thinks if he disses homosexuality in the way he is doing, god will look favourably on him and 'cure' him.

[Nearly Sane]

I am beginning to wonder if spud is a gay in denial. Maybe he thinks if he disses homosexuality in the way he is doing, god will look favourably on him and 'cure' him.

The whole gay in denial schtick is very boring. I dislike the monarchy intensely, does that make me a king in denial?

[Roses]

The whole gay in denial schtick is very boring. I dislike the monarchy intensely, does that make me a king in denial?

But some gays are in denial, especially if they are very religious.

[SteveH]

I am beginning to wonder if spud is a gay in denial. Maybe he thinks if he disses homosexuality in the way he is doing, god will look favourably on him and 'cure' him.

Spare us the second-hand psycho-babble. I'm sure Spud is simply a fundy Christian who believes homosexuality to be wrong for that reason.
BTW, I thought it was your daughter who was the anglican priest.

[Roses]

Spare us the second-hand psycho-babble. I'm sure Spud is simply a fundy Christian who believes homosexuality to be wrong for that reason.
BTW, I thought it was your daughter who was the anglican priest.

I have TWO anglican priests in my family, my daughter and baby sister.