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Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« on: October 20, 2018, 11:09:39 PM »
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2018, 06:05:16 AM »
Too late.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2018, 08:32:55 AM »
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2018, 08:37:40 AM »
Whilst I am totally against this Brexit nonsense, I doubt the march in London will have made any difference to the present situation.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2018, 08:49:38 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 21, 2018, 08:37:40 AM
Whilst I am totally against this Brexit nonsense, I doubt the march in London will have made any difference to the present situation.
Big demos lift the morale of the demonstraters and their sympathisers, and that, as much as anything else, is their purpose.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2018, 08:55:30 AM »
Quote from: Steve H on October 21, 2018, 08:49:38 AM
Big demos lift the morale of the demonstraters and their sympathisers, and that, as much as anything else, is their purpose.

And cost the country its much needed dosh in order to police the things!
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2018, 09:17:10 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 21, 2018, 08:55:30 AM
And cost the country its much needed dosh in order to police the things!

There speaks someone who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2018, 09:19:40 AM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on October 21, 2018, 09:17:10 AM
There speaks someone who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

A meaningless statement. ::)
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2018, 09:22:07 AM »
Quote from: Harrowby Hall on October 21, 2018, 08:32:55 AM
Elucidate.

The people already voted. Leave won.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2018, 09:24:45 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 21, 2018, 09:19:40 AM
A meaningless statement. ::)

Nope. You'd be better railing against tax evasion or huge bonuses e.g. Persimmon, instead you pick on people's right to peaceful protest. Well done.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2018, 09:25:58 AM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on October 21, 2018, 09:22:07 AM
The people already voted. Leave won.

I get the impression many people didn't understand what Brexit would mean for this country.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2018, 09:27:48 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 21, 2018, 09:19:40 AM
A meaningless statement. ::)

No, he's right.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2018, 09:29:09 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 21, 2018, 08:55:30 AM
And cost the country its much needed dosh in order to police the things!

The Trump marches were a waste of money as they had no purpose. The march yesterday did, and if just one MP has the courage to stand by their convictions as a result it will be worth it.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2018, 09:35:47 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 21, 2018, 09:25:58 AM
I get the impression many people didn't understand what Brexit would mean for this country.

The question was quite simple. Leave or stay. What's there not to understand? No one voted leave because they wanted to stay or that over half of those who voted were illiterate or something.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2018, 10:01:06 AM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on October 21, 2018, 09:35:47 AM
The question was quite simple. Leave or stay. What's there not to understand? No one voted leave because they wanted to stay or that over half of those who voted were illiterate or something.

But they were promised a magic money tree if they voted leave. Now people are realising that it will cost them money and our national organisations will have less money to spend, not more. They've also realised that their jobs ate at risk - fewer jobs, not more jobs for British people - and that food security is threatened.

Aside from a hardcore of fanatics this isn't what people voted Leave for.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2018, 10:06:34 AM »
The isn't going to run out of medicines. The middle-classes have no need to worry that they'll no longer be able to buy beaujolais and camembert or that the plebs will run out of baked beans. It's all scaremongering.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2018, 10:20:53 AM »
But it isn't, ad-o. Where I live food has already been left to rot in the ground because there isn't anyone to pick it. Companies have already relocated, as have research organisations. We've already lost expertise in medical research due to teams being disbanded and relocated. It's happening now, not in some dystopian future.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2018, 10:26:51 AM »
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2018, 10:28:19 AM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on October 21, 2018, 10:06:34 AM
The isn't going to run out of medicines. The middle-classes have no need to worry that they'll no longer be able to buy beaujolais and camembert or that the plebs will run out of baked beans. It's all scaremongering.
Not sure that's very Christian.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2018, 10:34:16 AM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on October 21, 2018, 09:35:47 AM
The question was quite simple. Leave or stay. What's there not to understand? No one voted leave because they wanted to stay or that over half of those who voted were illiterate or something.

Yes the question was simple, but the underlying issues were immensely complex. So people were not informed of the cost to them personally and to the country generally. They were told that there would be money for the NHS, farmers, scientists, fisheries, car industry, and on and on. As Rhi says magic money tree.

A binary choice should never have been used for such a complex issue. Still, here we are and here we go.

As noted elsewhere the first UK government ever to have need of a suicide minister.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2018, 10:36:14 AM »
The govt have blown it.  They never had a plan for Brexit, neither do the Brexiters, except no deal.  I'm not surprised people are angry and frightened.   Chaos beckons.   I think many would have accepted a Norway type deal, but May drew up her red lines, and we were shafted.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2018, 10:42:51 AM »
Quote from: wigginhall on October 21, 2018, 10:36:14 AM
The govt have blown it.  They never had a plan for Brexit, neither do the Brexiters, except no deal.  I'm not surprised people are angry and frightened.   Chaos beckons.   I think many would have accepted a Norway type deal, but May drew up her red lines, and we were shafted.

They never had a plan because they didn't think the electorate would be stupid enough to vote for it. They underestimated, not the stupidity of too many of their citizens, but their rage.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2018, 10:58:59 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 21, 2018, 09:19:40 AM
A meaningless statement. ::)
No, it isn't - he put it better than I could have.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2018, 11:47:49 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on October 21, 2018, 10:42:51 AM
They never had a plan because they didn't think the electorate would be stupid enough to vote for it. They underestimated, not the stupidity of too many of their citizens, but their rage.

I think that's right.  But Mrs May rushed into it, declared her red lines, which make a deal very difficult.   Of course, her main goal has been holding the Tory party together, which gives the right wing a veto.   And of course, they have no plan either, despite their bombast.  I doubt if many of them even understand non-tariff barriers, or most favoured nation rules in WTO.  Companies will start to leave if their goods are going to be checked at borders, just in time production becomes impossible.
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Re: Anti-Brexit demonstration, London, 20/10/18.
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2018, 12:20:11 PM »
Also, sometimes Leave people say, just leave.  So I ask them if that means closing ports and airports to EU traffic, they tend to go silent then, but that is the implication, which would cause havoc.  Maybe they don't care.
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