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Theresa May and the lynch mob
« on: October 22, 2018, 10:00:47 AM »
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2018, 10:05:36 AM »
Not sure what you're "seriously" is trying to imply here. Are you incredulous at Cooper's reaction, or is it more that you think it's a non-issue, or is it just that you don't think the Tories would id guilty parties?

FTR, I think the whole way we use language in the political arena is an issue. Although the above wouldn't be my first focus. I think the whole turning the EU into an enemy, and talking in military terms of battles and the like is extremely dangerous.
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2018, 10:10:05 AM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on October 22, 2018, 10:05:36 AM
Not sure what you're "seriously" is trying to imply here. Are you incredulous at Cooper's reaction, or is it more that you think it's a non-issue, or is it just that you don't think the Tories would id guilty parties?

FTR, I think the whole way we use language in the political arena is an issue. Although the above wouldn't be my first focus. I think the whole turning the EU into an enemy, and talking in military terms of battles and the like is extremely dangerous.
Another example of the failure of the public schools to produce rounded human beings.

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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2018, 10:13:37 AM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on October 22, 2018, 10:05:36 AM
Not sure what you're "seriously" is trying to imply here. Are you incredulous at Cooper's reaction, or is it more that you think it's a non-issue, or is it just that you don't think the Tories would id guilty parties?

FTR, I think the whole way we use language in the political arena is an issue. Although the above wouldn't be my first focus. I think the whole turning the EU into an enemy, and talking in military terms of battles and the like is extremely dangerous.
In the Andrew Marr show we had Amanda Platell condemning rightly the language used about May but then praising her paper's coverage of Davis dressed up as an RAF pilot fighting the 'battle for Britain'.
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2018, 10:19:36 AM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on October 22, 2018, 10:13:37 AM
In the Andrew Marr show we had Amanda Platell condemning rightly the language used about May but then praising her paper's coverage of Davis dressed up as an RAF pilot fighting the 'battle for Britain'.
He would have to be hoisted into the cockpit like some soporific lethargic Henry the Eighth.
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2018, 10:19:52 AM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on October 22, 2018, 10:05:36 AM
Not sure what you're "seriously" is trying to imply here. Are you incredulous at Cooper's reaction, or is it more that you think it's a non-issue, or is it just that you don't think the Tories would id guilty parties?

FTR, I think the whole way we use language in the political arena is an issue. Although the above wouldn't be my first focus. I think the whole turning the EU into an enemy, and talking in military terms of battles and the like is extremely dangerous.

My ‘seriously’ is that I had no idea MPs we’re talking about her like this in the first place. I find it hard to get my head around it tbh. Didn’t know what else to say.
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2018, 10:22:28 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on October 22, 2018, 10:19:52 AM
My ‘seriously’ is that I had no idea MPs we’re talking about her like this in the first place. I find it hard to get my head around it tbh. Didn’t know what else to say.

Oh ok. And yes it does seem incredible, but as I said elsewhere, here we are and here we go. We are way beyond clusterfuck territory now.
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2018, 10:26:04 AM »
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2018, 10:41:59 AM »
Didn’t McDonnell want to lynch Esther McVey?

Frankly though I don’t know how May find the strength to get out of bed at the moment.
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2018, 10:42:36 AM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on October 22, 2018, 10:22:28 AM
Oh ok. And yes it does seem incredible, but as I said elsewhere, here we are and here we go. We are way beyond clusterfuck territory now.

Well we - someone - voted for these people.
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2018, 10:48:54 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on October 22, 2018, 10:41:59 AM
Didn’t McDonnell want to lynch Esther McVey?

Frankly though I don’t know how May find the strength to get out of bed at the moment.
The McDonnell comment was allegedly reporting some one else speaking, though since he didn't say that he condemned it utterly, doesn't really work as an excuse. He did call her a 'stain on humanity' at the same time. Cooper did say he should have apologised to McVey for his language.
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2018, 01:59:00 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on October 22, 2018, 10:41:59 AM
Didn’t McDonnell want to lynch Esther McVey?

Frankly though I don’t know how May find the strength to get out of bed at the moment.
Quiet strength of character, long parliamentary experience, and, I hope, the awareness that that long experience will tell her that there is no-one qualified to take her place and to remain calm and steady.

I have today e-mailed my MP (and had a response) to ask him to pass on to Theresa May my support for her.
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2018, 02:02:10 PM »
Quote from: SusanDoris on October 22, 2018, 01:59:00 PM
Quiet strength of character, long parliamentary experience, and, I hope, the awareness that that long experience will tell her that there is no-one qualified to take her place and to remain calm and steady.

I have today e-mailed my MP (and had a response) to ask him to pass on to Theresa May my support for her.
Are you serious? She's a bloody disaster!
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2018, 02:04:20 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on October 22, 2018, 02:02:10 PM
Are you serious? She's a bloody disaster!

She might be but she's doing the job she has to do. Talk of being knifed probably isn't helping and like it or not, we need her to be able to function.
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2018, 02:05:50 PM »
I remember studying the antics of some of the nineteenth and early twentieth century so-called 'greats' This is mild by comparison. I do feel a modicum of sympathy for May, even though the situation in which she finds herself is almost entirely of her own making. I could not care less for the Tory party, though.
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2018, 02:10:33 PM »
I agree with Susan& Rh. Don't like her politics but that vileness is well out of order. When I read it I thought of schoolboyskids trying to outdo eachother with gory talk, said as much to a colleague who laughed and said, "That's politicians". Doesn't surprise me but doesn't excuse it.

Quote from: The poster formerly known as.... on October 22, 2018, 10:10:05 AM
Another example of the failure of the public schools to produce rounded human beings.

What kind of a sweeping statement is that?

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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2018, 02:14:16 PM »
I have been disgusted by the remarks made about TM by some of her own party. :o
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2018, 02:23:16 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 22, 2018, 02:14:16 PM
I have been disgusted by the remarks made about TM by some of her own party. :o
 



I studied 'Modern Studies' at secondary school.
Our teacher was the daughter of the former (formidable) Labour secretary of State for Scotland, Willie Ross...by that time "Lord Ross of Marnock".
We went o Westminster - as sixteen year olds - to meet some of the 'high heid yins' there.
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Watch oot fer yon B-----ds".
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Says it all, really.
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2018, 03:00:21 PM »
As NS has pointed out though, this is not exclusively a Tory problem.
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2018, 10:43:48 PM »
So the frustration and bad vibes generated within Conservatism have manifested themselves in violent talk eh?


Unfortunately snobbery prevents them from using terms like F******useless C***.
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2018, 03:04:07 PM »
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2018, 04:02:35 PM »
Is that possible?

TBH though I'm a little uncomfortable with the tweet itself, it may well be that the kid is a huge fan of a second vote, but it could also be that it's just something that is seen as good in the family. There were a number of pictures on the protest of very small kids holding signs, and I just get a sense of unease about it. That said, the reaction from different sides on different issues is quite often to suddenly start spluttering about Hitler Youth
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2018, 04:12:35 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on October 23, 2018, 04:02:35 PM
Is that possible?

TBH though I'm a little uncomfortable with the tweet itself, it may well be that the kid is a huge fan of a second vote, but it could also be that it's just something that is seen as good in the family. There were a number of pictures on the protest of very small kids holding signs, and I just get a sense of unease about it. That said, the reaction from different sides on different issues is quite often to suddenly start spluttering about Hitler Youth


You make a good point.
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2018, 05:03:15 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on October 23, 2018, 04:02:35 PM
Is that possible?

TBH though I'm a little uncomfortable with the tweet itself, it may well be that the kid is a huge fan of a second vote, but it could also be that it's just something that is seen as good in the family. There were a number of pictures on the protest of very small kids holding signs, and I just get a sense of unease about it. That said, the reaction from different sides on different issues is quite often to suddenly start spluttering about Hitler Youth

There’s no excuse for the behaviour of Mr Tory-Wanker, is there? I think in this case kids have been involved in the protests by their parents because Brexit is going to screw up their lives the most. I feel it as a parent and it is horrible. In that sense I don’t see it as any different to taking kids on protects about climate change or environmental damage. Should this particular picture have been shared? I’m no fan of sharenting but the kid is old enough to give consent. Shame it flushed out some of the worst of Brexiters but the worst don’t draw the line at children.
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Re: Theresa May and the lynch mob
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2018, 05:52:17 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on October 23, 2018, 05:03:15 PM
There’s no excuse for the behaviour of Mr Tory-Wanker, is there? I think in this case kids have been involved in the protests by their parents because Brexit is going to screw up their lives the most. I feel it as a parent and it is horrible. In that sense I don’t see it as any different to taking kids on protects about climate change or environmental damage. Should this particular picture have been shared? I’m no fan of sharenting but the kid is old enough to give consent. Shame it flushed out some of the worst of Brexiters but the worst don’t draw the line at children.

Jackson behaved like an eejit but I don't read it as directed at the kid who isn't old enough to have a twitter account. For the father to be that upset by an unpleasant but in the world of Twitter a mild comment, seems ignorant of what twitter is.

Both sides, as with nearly everything that has 2 sides, have their numpty quotient. It doesn't mean anything about the side's rightness, nor can it be used as a generalisation.

Obviously parents can take tgeir children on protests, and may have to to go on the protest. I just don't like the idea that it validates the opinion, or that it seems to understimate that tge children may be used. Many people voting Brexit did it because they thought it was best for the future of their kids too.

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