Theresa May and the lynch mob

[Nearly Sane]

So the frustration and bad vibes generated within Conservatism have manifested themselves in violent talk eh?


Unfortunately snobbery prevents them from using terms like F******useless C***.

so you condemn them for being unpleasant in different language to you even though you think you and they agree?

[jeremyp]

Are you serious? She's a bloody disaster!

Actually, given the job she has to do, I think she is doing about as well as anybody could reasonably expect.

[Roses]

Actually, given the job she has to do, I think she is doing about as well as anybody could reasonably expect.

Agreed.

[jeremyp]

Is that possible?

TBH though I'm a little uncomfortable with the tweet itself, it may well be that the kid is a huge fan of a second vote, but it could also be that it's just something that is seen as good in the family. There were a number of pictures on the protest of very small kids holding signs, and I just get a sense of unease about it. That said, the reaction from different sides on different issues is quite often to suddenly start spluttering about Hitler Youth

I agree, but I don't think that is a good reason to publicly announce that the tweeter (assume it was to him the insult was directed, not the boy) is a pathetic cretin.

[Nearly Sane]

Actually, given the job she has to do, I think she is doing about as well as anybody could reasonably expect.

Does that include not taking the responsibility for Windrush scandal?

[jeremyp]

Does that include not taking the responsibility for Windrush scandal?

To be honest, I seem to have Brexit tunnel vision and I forgot about that.

She certainly should have done better on Windrush.

[Nearly Sane]

Actually, given the job she has to do, I think she is doing about as well as anybody could reasonably expect.

I am slightly confused though that you posted in reply to jakswan on the Brexit thread

"Does the Brexit thing look like it's going well to you? Can't you agree that, whether or not Brexit is good in principle, what is actually happening is a complete shambles?'

Surely these 2 statements conflict? Has May no responsibility for the 'complete shambles'? If not, are you saying that the 'complete shambles' isn't really a point against jakswan's position because you actually think this is the best the negotiations could go?

[Nearly Sane]

To be honest, I seem to have Brexit tunnel vision and I forgot about that.

She certainly should have done better on Windrush.

Better than lying and instituting racist policies that msy have resulted in deaths is hardly a high bar.

[jeremyp]

I am slightly confused though that you posted in reply to jakswan on the Brexit thread

"Does the Brexit thing look like it's going well to you? Can't you agree that, whether or not Brexit is good in principle, what is actually happening is a complete shambles?'

Surely these 2 statements conflict? Has May no responsibility for the 'complete shambles'? If not, are you saying that the 'complete shambles' isn't really a point against jakswan's position because you actually think this is the best the negotiations could go?

No. The best we could do is stop Brexit altogether at least while we work out what we really want from it. However, Theresa May operates in a particular context and is probably doing about as well as any politician could do given the constraints under which she is working and her innate cowardice (also possessed by all the other politicians, as far as I can tell).

[Nearly Sane]

No. The best we could do is stop Brexit altogether at least while we work out what we really want from it. However, Theresa May operates in a particular context and is probably doing about as well as any politician could do given the constraints under which she is working and her innate cowardice (also possessed by all the other politicians, as far as I can tell).

So your point is she is a useless coward, and as such she is doing as good as a useless coward would do. Which again just means that as far as you are concerned jakswan should just se this as as good as it was ever going to be.

[jeremyp]

So your point is she is a useless coward, and as such she is doing as good as a useless coward would do.

Did I say "useless"?

I think, since you are now manufacturing posts for me that I never made, we should stop here.

[Nearly Sane]

Did I say "useless"?

I think, since you are now manufacturing posts for me that I never made, we should stop here.

What do you think she has done that is useful?

[Rhiannon]

I don't know about Jeremy but I think the most useful thing regarding Brexit that she's done is not seriously piss off the rest of Europe. They might not like what is going on but they don't seem to have taken against her personally in a way that may have happened had we a different PM. But that is trying to prove a negative.

Of course she's made a complete screw up of domestic affairs.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't know about Jeremy but I think the most useful thing regarding Brexit that she's done is not seriously piss off the rest of Europe. They might not like what is going on but they don't seem to have taken against her personally in a way that may have happened had we a different PM. But that is trying to prove a negative.

Of course she's made a complete screw up of domestic affairs.

Yeah, I can see that but in some ways surely that is just the constraints, as jeremyp put it, that she is working in. It's easy for Johnson or High to pose because they have no responsibility.

[Rhiannon]

Yeah, I can see that but in some ways surely that is just the constraints, as jeremyp put it, that she is working in. It's easy for Johnson or High to pose because they have no responsibility.

I dunno, Johnson would have let the mask slip by now. May hasn't.

[SteveH]

Taking being a Tory wanker to a whole new level.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/23/former-tory-mp-stewart-jackson-urged-to-apologise-for-cretin-jibe-at-boy-with-eu-flag

What a big, tough guy - making fun of an 11-year-old kid.