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Re: What's the power behind Christian Prayer?
« Reply #50 on: October 24, 2018, 10:37:10 PM »
My understanding of prayer in Islam is that you pray to change yourself - your outlook, reaction, resilience to difficulties etc. There is nothing stopping you praying for intervention as well as that could help strengthen your perception of connection to something spiritual / supernatural or deepen your faith, but my understanding is that Islam is about submission to god's will as opposed to a god submitting to your prayers and intervening because you prayed really, really hard.

Though praying really, really hard is one way of passing time - it's something to do when you feel helpless when youagree have done all you can do and you could view it as having tried everything, including the supernatural. And praying maybe helps you work through your emotions, get things off your chest by having a conversation in your head, or it could help you let go of some of the stress of trying to think you can control outcomes by placing your trust and hope in something other than yourself that is supernatural/ all-knowing etc

I agree completely.  As a life-long atheist, I have often prayed when there was nothing else I could do.  When my daughter was on life-support and the doctors told me to bring my family up because she wasn't going to last the night, I prayed my heart out.


I have been called a hypocrite and ungrateful to God, because although she survived and is now a wife and mother 20 years later, I didn't become one of the Faithful.  It's because I realise it was nothing to do with the praying, it was the work of the medical staff at the hospital.  The praying was my way of coping with the trauma.

When a plane is crashing, diving towards the sea, I'll guarantee everyone on board, whether atheist or believer, knowing there is no way of doing anything about it, is praying just as hard as I did that night.
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Re: What's the power behind Christian Prayer?
« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2018, 10:42:16 PM »
I agree completely.  As a life-long atheist, I have often prayed when there was nothing else I could do.  When my daughter was on life-support and the doctors told me to bring my family up because she wasn't going to last the night, I prayed my heart out.


I have been called a hypocrite and ungrateful to God, because although she survived and is now a wife and mother 20 years later, I didn't become one of the Faithful.  It's because I realise it was nothing to do with the praying, it was the work of the medical staff at the hospital.  The praying was my way of coping with the trauma.

When a plane is crashing, diving towards the sea, I'll guarantee everyone on board, whether atheist or believer, knowing there is no way of doing anything about it, is praying just as hard as I did that night.
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Re: What's the power behind Christian Prayer?
« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2018, 11:43:13 AM »
"At the going down of the sun and in the morning we will remember them."

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Re: What's the power behind Christian Prayer?
« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2018, 11:47:24 AM »
Wrong about what?

'When a plane is crashing, diving towards the sea, I'll guarantee everyone on board, whether atheist or believer, knowing there is no way of doing anything about it, is praying just as hard as I did that night.'

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Re: What's the power behind Christian Prayer?
« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2018, 11:54:56 AM »
'When a plane is crashing, diving towards the sea, I'll guarantee everyone on board, whether atheist or believer, knowing there is no way of doing anything about it, is praying just as hard as I did that night.'

Unless we have been in that sort of terrible situation we can't say for sure how we would react.
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Re: What's the power behind Christian Prayer?
« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2018, 02:28:11 PM »

The power behind Christian prayer is of course God.


No it is not! It is the faith that Christians have that their God exists despite there being not one iota of proof for said existence.

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So no one could try whip up a curse without the knowledge that anything supernatural would have to be through God and to God's specifications and God's three answers to prayer are Yes, no or wait.


I spent ten years praying to the Christian God before I gave up having got not one single "Yes".

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Can prayer be used as mind gaming? In the long history of Christianity I'm sure some have found a way to pervert it into that.


All organised religion is a mind frame!
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Re: What's the power behind Christian Prayer?
« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2018, 03:03:51 PM »
No it is not! It is the faith that Christians have that their God exists despite there being not one iota of proof for said existence.

I spent ten years praying to the Christian God before I gave up having got not one single "Yes".

All organised religion is a mind fame!
So between this post and your comments on cursing Brett Kavanaugh....

You have more supernatural power in your little finger than there is in the whole of Christianity?

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Re: What's the power behind Christian Prayer?
« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2018, 04:16:15 PM »
When a plane is crashing, diving towards the sea, I'll guarantee everyone on board, whether atheist or believer, knowing there is no way of doing anything about it, is praying just as hard as I did that night.

How can you guarantee that?

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Re: What's the power behind Christian Prayer?
« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2018, 10:59:37 PM »
So between this post and your comments on cursing Brett Kavanaugh....

You have more supernatural power in your little finger than there is in the whole of Christianity?
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Re: What's the power behind Christian Prayer?
« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2018, 11:18:58 PM »
I'm still utterly surprised as to why ANYONE would want to associate themselves or trust in a creature that ignores plights & suffering in a world it made such a bollox of ?!??!?

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Re: What's the power behind Christian Prayer?
« Reply #60 on: October 26, 2018, 10:15:43 PM »
So between this post and your comments on cursing Brett Kavanaugh....

You have more supernatural power in your little finger than there is in the whole of Christianity?

No! But I do have as much gaith im my Gods and Goddesses as Christians have in their God
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