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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2019, 03:52:09 PM »
Quote from: Spud on June 02, 2019, 03:42:24 PM
Just checked,  and the homicide rate in the US is about 4 times what it is here, so you are right. Are you sure about your statistics in #35, the BBC website says 90 mass shootings between 1982 and 2012.

The BBC website mentions 150 shootings of this nature since January.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48481814


 
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2019, 04:21:29 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on June 02, 2019, 03:52:09 PM
The BBC website mentions 150 shootings of this nature since January.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48481814
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2019, 09:05:34 PM »
Quote from: Spud on June 02, 2019, 11:05:54 AM
If we dealt with knife crime here, the US might take note and deal with it's gun crime.

Huh?

Our knife crime problem is nowhere near as bad as the US gun crime problem. For example, the latest mass shooting in the US is the 150th mass shooting this year. Last year there were about 750 knife related homicides in the UK. In 2017, the USA had nearly fifteen thousand gun homicides. The US population is only about five times ours.


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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2019, 10:24:22 PM »
Quote from: Spud on June 02, 2019, 02:33:08 PM
Yes it's a scary place, but no more than east London. The numbers killed must be similar relative to the size of the populations.

Lol! What's scary about east London?
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2019, 12:20:19 AM »
He's thinking of the Seven Dials and Alsatia.
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2019, 10:17:24 AM »
The pollution in London has suddenly got worse now a certain person has landed! >:(
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #56 on: June 03, 2019, 12:17:19 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on June 02, 2019, 09:05:34 PM
Huh?

Our knife crime problem is nowhere near as bad as the US gun crime problem. For example, the latest mass shooting in the US is the 150th mass shooting this year. Last year there were about 750 knife related homicides in the UK. In 2017, the USA had nearly fifteen thousand gun homicides. The US population is only about five times ours.
When nobody is being murdered here then we can criticize the US.
Gun crime is easy to control, as they aren't essential for living so can be banned. Basically we await a generation in the US with the sense to do it.

But you can't really ban knives. Capital punishment doesn't seem to be an effective deterrent against murder in general. The issue may be the effectiveness of rehabilitation of offenders before they commit more serious crime. That's about the best thing I can come up with (not being an expert).
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2019, 01:28:34 PM »
Quote from: Spud on June 02, 2019, 01:51:42 PM
No, there is no point judging the US if we can't sort out our own crime. More police on the street.
We have quite strict laws about the carrying of knives.
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #58 on: June 03, 2019, 03:00:05 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on June 03, 2019, 01:28:34 PM
We have quite strict laws about the carrying of knives.
Also need measures to enforce them. Recent increased stop and search has apparently been very effective.
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #59 on: June 03, 2019, 07:41:20 PM »
Quote from: Spud on June 03, 2019, 12:17:19 PM
When nobody is being murdered here then we can criticize the US.
Nah. We can criticise them now.
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Gun crime is easy to control, as they aren't essential for living so can be banned. Basically we await a generation in the US with the sense to do it.
It's not easy to control in the USA thanks to the Second Amendment and a very powerful lobby on behalf of gun owners and manufacturers.
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But you can't really ban knives.
It's illegal to carry a knife in the UK without a good reason. They are effectively banned in public places already. Upholding the ban is another matter though.
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Capital punishment doesn't seem to be an effective deterrent against murder in general. The issue may be the effectiveness of rehabilitation of offenders before they commit more serious crime. That's about the best thing I can come up with (not being an expert).

We agree on capital punishment but that issue is orthogonal to the problem of gun crime.
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #60 on: June 03, 2019, 10:48:51 PM »
I love guns and whenever we took a holiday in Florida a highlight for me was to go to the gun range.
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #61 on: June 04, 2019, 08:51:15 AM »
Quote from: BeRational on June 03, 2019, 10:48:51 PM
I love guns and whenever we took a holiday in Florida a highlight for me was to go to the gun range.


How can anyone one 'love' guns when they kills so money people? :o
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #62 on: June 04, 2019, 08:59:51 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on June 04, 2019, 08:51:15 AM

How can anyone one 'love' guns when they kills so money people? :o

Well, I'm guessing it's because they enjoy the skill of shooting at targets. I it is considered a sport. I have no objection to that at all. I have in the distant past taken part in shooting competitions at country fairs and the like. Very enjoyable.

The argument is weak, how can one love cars when they kill so many people?

The key to the issue lies in effective legislation and control, not criticising people for enjoying something, be that guns or cars.
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #63 on: June 04, 2019, 09:18:08 AM »
Quote from: jeremyp on June 03, 2019, 07:41:20 PM
It's illegal to carry a knife in the UK without a good reason.
Not quite true. Folding knives with non-lockable blades that are 3" long or less, and can't be opened quickly by just pressing a button or something, are street-legal. I carry a Victorinox multi-tool every day, and it comes in hady for all sorts of things.
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #64 on: June 04, 2019, 10:06:55 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on June 04, 2019, 08:51:15 AM

How can anyone one 'love' guns when they kills so money people? :o

Easy I love guns, but I do not want to kill anything
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #65 on: June 07, 2019, 01:15:08 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on June 04, 2019, 08:51:15 AM

How can anyone one 'love' guns when they kills so money people? :o

There are a couple of historic gun channels on Youtube that I quite enjoy. There is one in particular that has a series on gunsmithing that I find completely addictive. These channels could not exist in the UK for obvious reasons, so I am conflicted. Basically, people die in the USA so I can have my entertainment.
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #66 on: June 07, 2019, 01:19:09 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on June 04, 2019, 09:18:08 AM
Not quite true. Folding knives with non-lockable blades that are 3" long or less, and can't be opened quickly by just pressing a button or something, are street-legal. I carry a Victorinox multi-tool every day, and it comes in hady for all sorts of things.

ha ha, that's not a knife This is a knife
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #67 on: June 07, 2019, 03:14:39 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on June 07, 2019, 01:15:08 PM
There are a couple of historic gun channels on Youtube that I quite enjoy. There is one in particular that has a series on gunsmithing that I find completely addictive. These channels could not exist in the UK for obvious reasons, so I am conflicted. Basically, people die in the USA so I can have my entertainment.
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that channel looks highly interesting , thanks . Now I've got another subject to get immersed in late at night
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #69 on: August 04, 2019, 01:17:00 PM »
Quote from: ekim on August 04, 2019, 10:22:41 AM
Two more in quick succession  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49221936  and https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49224816

Hmm... must be summer ...

My wife says it is always men, is that true? Why?
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #70 on: August 05, 2019, 08:05:27 AM »
Quote from: Udayana on August 04, 2019, 01:17:00 PM
Hmm... must be summer ...

My wife says it is always men, is that true? Why?

The phrase "toxic masculinity" crops up in American English with alarming regularity. I've not heard a definition of it yet, but perhaps that would explain the reason why it is predominantly men who commit these crimes. Furthermore, white men.

To me it's almost as if all the racists and bigots that we thought we'd ( we = loosely speaking Western society) dealt with so well have suddenly been emboldened (Trump = enabler in chief) and decided to do the thing they do best.  :(

This gives more figures and possible reasons/motives:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2019, 08:47:18 AM »
That dangerous racist clown in the White House is blaming mental health issues for the massacres! It is much more likely his racist white supremacist attitude and the crazy gun laws in the US encourage these evil outrages. >:(
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2019, 09:29:56 AM »
Well, at least he is admitting to his mental health issues.  ???
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2019, 10:33:20 AM »
Quote from: ekim on August 05, 2019, 09:29:56 AM
Well, at least he is admitting to his mental health issues.  ???

I wish. I believe he refused to have his mental health tested when standing for president!
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Re: Another gun massacre in the US
« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2019, 10:47:51 AM »
Quote from: Littleroses on August 05, 2019, 10:33:20 AM
I wish. I believe he refused to have his mental health tested when standing for president!

I think Ekim is referring to the "shooter", not the president.
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