Brexit benefits we'll never see.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No 1

Lowering of the school leaving age.

Why this is a benefit?

Removes the resentment of those forced to remain in it. Will teach those who opt out the value of education, save resources and waste.

How to offset adverse effects.
Effective adult education opportunities.

Why we will never see it?

Education is the national baby sitting service.

[Nearly Sane]

What has this to do with Brexit?

[Aruntraveller]

Glad you asked.

Sun's not even over the Yardarm yet.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

What has this to do with Brexit?

Taking back control, of course.
Of course rather than turn back something that might be useful,  taking back control will be used to turn back labour laws and civil rights.

I guess you missed the connection with Brexit as you can only see things from a nationalist perspective.

[Nearly Sane]

Taking back control, of course.

Nope, still not seeing it. And while you are here, are you suggesting seriously that you want the age people need to stay in education reduced? If so to what?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Nope, still not seeing it. And while you are here, are you suggesting seriously that you want the age people need to stay in education reduced? If so to what?

I presume if we take back control we can turn the clock back and that is the context of the post.
I'm happy that some readers appreciate that even if you and others lack that ability.

[Nearly Sane]

I presume if we take back control we can turn the clock back and that is the context of the post.
I'm happy that some readers appreciate that even if you and others lack that ability.

So you don't actually see this as a benefit, and it's really just a whinge about Brexit.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Nope, still not seeing it. And while you are here, are you suggesting seriously that you want the age people need to stay in education reduced? If so to what?

15.

Once disgruntled students leave GCSE students will be undisturbed.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So you don't actually see this as a benefit, and it's really just a whinge about Brexit.

And what would be wrong with just a whinge about Brexit.
I do see this as a benefit and cannot see how you have failed to see this as my intent.
I fear that those managing Brexit and those putting it through through brutishness are seeking a no benefit Brexit.... the ultimate English, "fuck you" Brexit.

[Nearly Sane]

And what would be wrong with just a whinge about Brexit.
I do see this as a benefit and cannot see how you have failed to see this as my intent.
I fear that those managing Brexit and those putting it through through brutishness are seeking a no benefit Brexit.... the ultimate English, "fuck you" Brexit.

In itself nothing, but there is a long ongoing thread on Brexot. I'm just not getting your point here.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

In itself nothing, but there is a long ongoing thread on Brexot. I'm just not getting your point here.

If that is so It will not be for the want of me spelling out that truly taking back control could free us up to lower the school leaving age but sensible ideas like the lowering of the school leaving age are not likely to materialise in a Brexit which is from start to finish perversely bonkers.

How Brexit is only allowed one thread and yet certain subjects can command any number of threads escapes me.

[Nearly Sane]

If that is so It will not be for the want of me spelling out that truly taking back control could free us Hup to lower the school leaving age but sensible ideas like the lowering of the school leaving age are not likely to materialise in a Brexit which is from start to finish perversely bonkers.

How Brexit is only allowed one thread and yet certain subjects can command any number of threads escapes me.

It's not stopped but if your point was about Brecit it would fit better there. As it is, if you think that reducing the age that you have to stay in education is a good idea, then conflating it with Brexit has just got in the way.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

It's not stopped but if your point was about Brecit it would fit better there. As it is, if you think that reducing the age that you have to stay in education is a good idea, then conflating it with Brexit has just got in the way.

Well I'm sorry you haven't got the point but I don't think that just because you can't make the connections others should be deprived.

[Nearly Sane]

Well I'm sorry you haven't got the point but I don't think that just because you can't make the connections others should be deprived.

I'm not asking anyone to be deprived of your wisdom. Just trying to help you spread your pearls.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I'm not asking anyone to be deprived of your wisdom. Just trying to help you spread your pearls.

Then I should be thanking you. Will it help to start a new thread do you think?

[Nearly Sane]

Then I should be thanking you. Will it help to start a new thread do you think?

For what? If you just want to make the argument clearly that the age you can leave education should be reduced, then you can make it hete. You might want to change the title to make it clear. Always glad to be of help.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

£350 million a week for the NHS

Is something we'll never see.

(Apologies to those who see no connection between this and Brexit)

[Nearly Sane]

You are getting a lovely new 50p design. Surely that and a blue passport is all that matters?

[jeremyp]

I wasn't aware that the EU controls school leaving age.

[Rhiannon]

Lower it and kids who want to get qualifications will be forced to leave school and go out to work by their parents - happened to friends of mine.

Still not seeing the EU connection either but I thought I'd throw that in.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Lower it and kids who want to get qualifications will be forced to leave school and go out to work by their parents - happened to friends of mine.

Still not seeing the EU connection either but I thought I'd throw that in.

Another view

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/peter-inson-lower-the-school-leaving-age-dont-raise-it-5333823.html

[Rhiannon]

Another view

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/peter-inson-lower-the-school-leaving-age-dont-raise-it-5333823.html

From 2007? Do we have a 'new generation of criminals? 11 years alter and my eldest is in post 16 education in a school mostly filled with working class kids, some who come from the special unit on site, and it bears no resemblance whatsoever to this.

[Harrowby Hall]

Perhaps what Vlad is suggesting is that in order to survive after we become the Venezuela of Europe we shall only survive by becoming a low age economy.

If we really want to become a manufacturing nation again then our main competitor will be Bangladesh. Having a well-educated workforce would would damage our chances completely. Just think - we could buy shirts and shoes and woolly jumpers all bearing a label saying "Made in England".

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Perhaps what Vlad is suggesting is that in order to survive after we become the Venezuela of Europe we shall only survive by becoming a low age economy.

If we really want to become a manufacturing nation again then our main competitor will be Bangladesh. Having a well-educated workforce would would damage our chances completely. Just think - we could buy shirts and shoes and woolly jumpers all bearing a label saying "Made in England".

After Brexit the school leaving age will no doubt be raised to disguise the unemployment figures.

I suggested that adult education be available when those early leavers feel the need.

That way resources need only be spent on those willing to use them.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

From 2007? Do we have a 'new generation of criminals? 11 years alter and my eldest is in post 16 education in a school mostly filled with working class kids, some who come from the special unit on site, and it bears no resemblance whatsoever to this.

There is now great concern over what is known as ''county line'' where school age children are exploited by drug dealers. Excluded and disaffected pupils are especially vulnerable.


I think England stopped worrying about how students felt or coped being concerned more about league tables, exam factories and indulging principals and headteachers in their free market, business oriented fantasies.