A universe with a supernatural presence would be different..........

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Another common statement of NewAtheism as mentioned in the Wikipedia entry on New Atheism....

A universe with a supernatural presence would be a fundamentally and qualitatively different kind of universe from one without

[ProfessorDavey]

A universe with a supernatural presence would be a fundamentally and qualitatively different kind of universe from one without

Well what do you think Vlad.

Do you think that a universe which included a supernatural presence, for example the christian god, would be fundamentally different to one in which the christian god did not exist?

[Roses]

As our universe is unlikely to host any sort of god, I have no idea what one with a supernatural presence would be like.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

As our universe is unlikely to host any sort of god, I have no idea what one with a supernatural presence would be like.

Ah probability.
Show your working out Floo.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Well what do you think Vlad.

You first.

[Roses]

You first.

As you started the thread it is for to put your POV first, so that the rest of us can agree, or more likely not see it your way.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

As you started the thread it is for to put your POV first, so that the rest of us can agree, or more likely not see it your way.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

As you started the thread it is for to put your POV first, so that the rest of us can agree, or more likely not see it your way.

It originates from Dawkins and the New Atheists so not being of that particular strain not clear wbat they wished it to mean.

If you are as an atheist calling it bollocks thats fine by me.

[Sebastian Toe]

It originates from Dawkins and the New Atheists so not being of that particular strain not clear wbat they wished it to mean.
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Do you expect anyone here to be able to accurately state what  they wished it to mean?
And how would you know if the response was accurate?

[Roses]

It originates from Dawkins and the New Atheists so not being of that particular strain not clear wbat they wished it to mean.

If you are as an atheist calling it bollocks thats fine by me.

I find it difficult to work out what you are on about most of the time.

[Sebastian Toe]

I find it difficult to work out what you are on about most of the time.

I echo your sentiment, however , I would probably not use the word 'about'!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Do you expect anyone here to be able to accurately state what  they wished it to mean?

If they have the New Atheist meme who knows?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Well what do you think Vlad.

Do you think that a universe which included a supernatural presence, for example the christian god, would be fundamentally different to one in which the christian god did not exist?

We only have one universe
Dawkins believes, I understand that the universe is exactly like it would be without a God. How he knows this I know not.

You are gifted with the holy meme of Brightianity please tell me what you think.

[Sebastian Toe]

We only have one universe

Have you not been paying attention to Sparky?

There are two. One static and one expanding.
Where the two meet there's a lot of whirly, twirly stuff and then lo and behold....electricity!
Do keep up.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Have you not been paying attention to Sparky?

Let me stop you there Sebastian. No.

[Roses]

I echo your sentiment, however , I would probably not use the word 'about'!

 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

As our universe is unlikely to host any sort of god, I have no idea what one with a supernatural presence would be like.

Any danger of an actual probability from you?

[Roses]

Any danger of an actual probability from you?

Are you asking yourself that question, as many of your posts give the impression you need to take more water with it?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Are you asking yourself that question, as many of your posts give the impression you need to take more water with it?

Look you said God was improbable.
How improbable?
Do you know what improbable means or are you as I and anybody who reads this forum thinks just confusing I dont believe it with probability.....aka argument from incredulity.

But if you want that in words you can understand...

Your talking shite.

[Roses]

Look you said God was improbable.
How improbable?
Do you know what improbable means or are you as I and anybody who reads this forum thinks just confusing I dont believe it with probability.....aka argument from incredulity.

But if you want that in words you can understand...

Your talking shite.

Where did I use the actual word 'improbable'? It is you who is talking nonsense as most of your posts make very little sense.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Where did I use the actual word 'improbable'? It is you who is talking nonsense as most of your posts make very little sense.

In reply#2 you used the word unlikely. That is a synonym of the word improbable.
Therefore again......How improbable? Show your working out.

[trippymonkey]

Why do we seem to insist THE god made this earth & all the rest whereas it makes FAR more 'sense' that a lesser deity did it or one of god's less capable lackies ?!?!!?!?

Nick

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Still no closer on how a universe with a supernatural presence is different from one without.
Its like one of those "fundeme talist New atheists say the darndest things"?

[SteveH]

Still no closer on how a universe with a supernatural presence is different from one without.
Its like one of those "fundeme talist New atheists say the darndest things"?

Presumably, they would say that a universe created and sustained by a deity would not have such a degree of suffering, which appears to be apportioned randomly, irrespective of dessert, nor would it exhibit so much apparent bad design.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Presumably, they would say that a universe created and sustained by a deity would not have such a degree of suffering, which appears to be apportioned randomly, irrespective of dessert, nor would it exhibit so much apparent bad design.

I can see that being an issue for a benevolent God but then it is an issue for both sides since benevolence has to be defined on both sides as has degree and indeed suffer.

But supernatural presence? Does the supernatural need to be benevolent?
Does a creator have to be benevolent......whatever that is.....is he bound not to give the universe the ability of trial and error while maintaining it?

Indeed there is something supernatural about even the most natural of universes either it is the great unmade or it poofed itself out of nowhere.