No-confidence vote in the Maybot!

[SteveH]

Hoorah and huzzah!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46535739

[Roses]

It looks as if she will win it.

[Harrowby Hall]

I posted this on another thread a little while ago, but it belongs here.

As someone (can't remember who) said on The World at One a few minutes ago, May is now receiving the inevitable reward for sucking up to the ERG for the last couple of years - they are kicking her in the May equivalent of the nuts. Will she learn anything from this?

The consensus appears to be that she will survive this no confidence vote - though possibly not choose to remain as party leader for the next election.

[Robbie]

I just put telly on and it seems the majority of her party do have confidence in her, 117 don't. Now Mr Rees Mogg is on saying it's a terrible result. Still she won.

[Anchorman]

I just put telly on and it seems the majority of her party do have confidence in her, 117 don't. Now Mr Rees Mogg is on saying it's a terrible result. Still she won.

She's a lame duck at best. Over a third of her own lot votedagainst her,and she only wonby saying she won't lead her lot into the next Westminster election. That gives her enimiesall the incentive they need to continue opposing her from within. Her victory meansabsolutely nothing.

[SusanDoris]

She's a lame duck at best. Over a third of her own lot votedagainst her,and she only wonby saying she won't lead her lot into the next Westminster election. That gives her enimiesall the incentive they need to continue opposing her from within. Her victory meansabsolutely nothing.

My Alexa has not been working for several days and I have not made the effort to go and find the little radio that works. I heard on the one upstairs that she is still our PM and am delighted to hear it. Of course she has made mistakes - she is a human being and for some reason people have a totally unrealistic expectation that PMs ought to not make mistakes. If the 'let's-drag-down-everyone-in-a-position-of-leadership', negative thinkers thought a bit harder and realised what a ghastly PM Rees-Mog or whatever his name is, would be - in my strongly held opinion - and had someone in mind with the same amount of parliamentary experience as Theresa May, then it might be a bit different, but, wel, thank goodness she has been supported by enough votes.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

My Alexa has not been working for several days and I have not made the effort to go and find the little radio that works. I heard on the one upstairs that she is still our PM and am delighted to hear it. Of course she has made mistakes - she is a human being and for some reason people have a totally unrealistic expectation that PMs ought to not make mistakes. If the 'let's-drag-down-everyone-in-a-position-of-leadership', negative thinkers thought a bit harder and realised what a ghastly PM Rees-Mog or whatever his name is, would be - in my strongly held opinion - and had someone in mind with the same amount of parliamentary experience as Theresa May, then it might be a bit different, but, wel, thank goodness she has been supported by enough votes.

May has not ruled out no deal or been candid about the preparations for it.
She spent the best part of two years nurturing hard brexiteers and fighting those she should have been forging a concensus with.
And now she is in perpetual danger of failing and nringing calamity.

The only thing that will garner my sympathy is her wreaking whatever revenge she can on that Frankensteins monster the ERG. We should never hear from them again.

[SusanDoris]

May has not ruled out no deal or been candid about the preparations for it.
She spent the best part of two years nurturing hard brexiteers and fighting those she should have been forging a concensus with.
And now she is in perpetual danger of failing and nringing calamity.

The only thing that will garner my sympathy is her wreaking whatever revenge she can on that Frankensteins monster the ERG. We should never hear from them again.

Having done a quick google to see what this ERG is, I agree with you.

[Robbie]

My Alexa has not been working for several days and I have not made the effort to go and find the little radio that works. I heard on the one upstairs that she is still our PM and am delighted to hear it. Of course she has made mistakes - she is a human being and for some reason people have a totally unrealistic expectation that PMs ought to not make mistakes. If the 'let's-drag-down-everyone-in-a-position-of-leadership', negative thinkers thought a bit harder and realised what a ghastly PM Rees-Mog or whatever his name is, would be - in my strongly held opinion - and had someone in mind with the same amount of parliamentary experience as Theresa May, then it might be a bit different, but, wel, thank goodness she has been supported by enough votes.

I feel much the same.

[Harrowby Hall]

May has not ruled out no deal or been candid about the preparations for it.
She spent the best part of two years nurturing hard brexiteers and fighting those she should have been forging a concensus with.
And now she is in perpetual danger of failing and nringing calamity.

The only thing that will garner my sympathy is her wreaking whatever revenge she can on that Frankensteins monster the ERG. We should never hear from them again.

I think that Vlad's analysis here is spot on.

[Roses]

Far better May as PM than some of the alternatives like Rees-Mogg or Boris!

[Anchorman]

My Alexa has not been working for several days and I have not made the effort to go and find the little radio that works. I heard on the one upstairs that she is still our PM and am delighted to hear it. Of course she has made mistakes - she is a human being and for some reason people have a totally unrealistic expectation that PMs ought to not make mistakes. If the 'let's-drag-down-everyone-in-a-position-of-leadership', negative thinkers thought a bit harder and realised what a ghastly PM Rees-Mog or whatever his name is, would be - in my strongly held opinion - and had someone in mind with the same amount of parliamentary experience as Theresa May, then it might be a bit different, but, wel, thank goodness she has been supported by enough votes.

     




The fact is that over a third of her own lot opposed - and oppose - her in the Commons.
That won't change.
Why shouldit?
Equally, she hassignalled her intention to resign sometime in the next two years or so - so the plotting behind the scenes will become increasingly dirty - on all wings of her party.
She has, therefore, lost much of the authority of a party leader, whislt gaining nothing in return. She may be in office, but hardly in control.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

That which may faces
Blame for a hard Brexit.
Losing majority due to defection of DUP
Lowing the meaningful vote
Not allowing the meaningful vote
Her own side calling a VONC
Tory party splitting.

That which will save May

No no deal
Second referendum

[Gordon]

That which may faces
Blame for a hard Brexit.
Losing majority due to defection of DUP
Lowing the meaningful vote
Not allowing the meaningful vote
Her own side calling a VONC
Tory party splitting.

That which will save May

No no deal
Second referendum

It's poetry, Captain: but not as we know it.

[Udayana]

The fact is that over a third of her own lot opposed - and oppose - her in the Commons.
That won't change.
Why shouldit?
Equally, she hassignalled her intention to resign sometime in the next two years or so - so the plotting behind the scenes will become increasingly dirty - on all wings of her party.
She has, therefore, lost much of the authority of a party leader, whislt gaining nothing in return. She may be in office, but hardly in control.

True enough. The questions that come to mind are:

• What do you want her to do now?
• What would you advise her to do?
• What do you think she will do?

[Anchorman]

True enough. The questions that come to mind are:

• What do you want her to do now?
• What would you advise her to do?
• What do you think she will do?

   




1. Call a new referendum.
2 Seek a multi-party consensus.
3 Nothing....she's a Tory.

[Roses]

   




1. Call a new referendum.
2 Seek a multi-party consensus.
3 Nothing....she's a Tory.

Just suppose Corbyn becomes PM, do you think he would call for another referendum, because he hasn't given any indication that he would? 

[SteveH]

Far better May as PM than some of the alternatives like Rees-Mogg or Boris!

I agree, but anything which embarrasses the Tory party and brings a general election nearer and a Labour victory more likely is fine by me.

[Roses]

I agree, but anything which embarrasses the Tory party and brings a general election nearer and a Labour victory more likely is fine by me.

I doubt anything would be better under Labour.

[Udayana]

1. Call a new referendum.

This needs an act of parliament, May won't propose one and not clear if one could pass.

2 Seek a multi-party consensus.

I agree, but can't see Corbyn cooperating as he wants a general election, and looks to hold out against the Withdrawal Agreement and/or referendum until he can force one.

3 Nothing....she's a Tory.

Most likely, or at least make no progress - likely to result in a no-deal exit.

[Udayana]

Quite liked this:
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/how-theresa-may-could-still-get-her-brexit-deal-through-parliament

Which suggests a referendum as a way for May to get mandate for WA.

[jeremyp]

The only thing that will garner my sympathy is her wreaking whatever revenge she can on that Frankensteins monster the ERG. We should never hear from them again.

Consider that, having won the vote, she is unassailable for a year. What could she do in that year? Well, she could lose the vote on her deal and then announce that suspending Brexit is a better option than "no deal". If she does that, the only way to remove her would be for the Tory party to revolt against her which would precipitate a general election, or paralyse the government. Either way, Brexit stalls.

Note: May has said she will not fight the next GE as leader and it takes about six weeks to elect a new party leader, so if a GE is precipitated as a result of a no confidence vote, the Tories will have to fight it leaderless.

I think provoking yesterday's vote might have been a stroke of genius.

[SteveH]

I doubt anything would be better under Labour.

Cheap cynicism. Everything would be better under Labour.

[Roses]

Cheap cynicism. Everything would be better under Labour.

A statement with nothing to back it up.

[Aruntraveller]

A statement with nothing to back it up.

Hah.

Kettle meet pot.