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Re: No-confidence vote in the Maybot!
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2018, 10:40:03 AM »
Hah.

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Looking back on past Labour Governments what have they done which was so wonderful?
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« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2018, 10:47:34 AM »

Looking back on past Labour Governments what have they done which was so wonderful?

You mean apart from the NHS, establishing the Welfare State, Equal Pay Act, Decriminalisation of homosexuality, outlawing racial discrimination, establishing the Open University,  National Minimum Wage, Cancelling up to 100% of debt for the poorest countries in the world.....

I could go on but there are none so blind as those who will not see.
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« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2018, 11:07:43 AM »

Looking back on past Labour Governments what have they done which was so wonderful?
Even if they did nothing else at all, establishing the NHS is probably the greatest achievement of any British government since WW2.
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Re: No-confidence vote in the Maybot!
« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2018, 12:05:18 PM »
You mean apart from the NHS, establishing the Welfare State, Equal Pay Act, Decriminalisation of homosexuality, outlawing racial discrimination, establishing the Open University,  National Minimum Wage, Cancelling up to 100% of debt for the poorest countries in the world.....

I could go on but there are none so blind as those who will not see.

Quite. I can't understand why anyone doesn't vote Labour, frankly.
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« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2018, 01:06:21 PM »
You mean apart from the NHS, establishing the Welfare State, Equal Pay Act, Decriminalisation of homosexuality, outlawing racial discrimination, establishing the Open University,  National Minimum Wage, Cancelling up to 100% of debt for the poorest countries in the world.....

I could go on but there are none so blind as those who will not see.
   



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« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2018, 01:17:52 PM »
Quite. I can't understand why anyone doesn't vote Labour, frankly.
   


     Because, up here, where once they were unassailable, they now spiral down to increasing mediocrity, lacking principle or direction, with an increasingly banal  series of leaders, until the present, a poor chap called Leonard, is unknown even by most Labour stalwarts.
They are an increasingly distant third place in politics up here.
My own constituency - which once boasted Keir Hardie - now has no Labour councillors, MSPs, MP or MEP.
Indeed, the next town to mine, where Hardie lived, is now represented in Westminster by a Tory for the first time in eighty years.  (Fortunately, my own area dos not suffer from the same catastrophe)
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« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2018, 01:49:19 PM »

Looking back on past Labour Governments what have they done which was so wonderful?
As others have said: the NHS, the welfare state, the increase in council house building after the war, the Open University, the minimum wage...
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« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2018, 02:09:35 PM »
I get your point Anchor but no-one is saying Labour politicians are beyond reproach. Or any politicians. It's all about the lesser of two or more evils.
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« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2018, 02:50:39 PM »
I get your point Anchor but no-one is saying Labour politicians are beyond reproach. Or any politicians. It's all about the lesser of two or more evils.
     




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Re: No-confidence vote in the Maybot!
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2018, 10:20:37 AM »
You mean apart from the NHS, establishing the Welfare State, Equal Pay Act, Decriminalisation of homosexuality, outlawing racial discrimination, establishing the Open University,  National Minimum Wage, Cancelling up to 100% of debt for the poorest countries in the world.....

I could go on but there are none so blind as those who will not see.

I completely agree and why it so tragic that they are now run by Marxists. We need the centre left to have a strong voice in UK politics, they are quite pathetic currently wimpering in the background.
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Re: No-confidence vote in the Maybot!
« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2018, 11:07:15 AM »
Even if they did nothing else at all, establishing the NHS is probably the greatest achievement of any British government since WW2.

Agreed. It was the jewel in the crown of the UK. If I was still living in the UK I should be a Labour voter. I would like to be. Thirty or forty years ago I probably would, but the Labour party died after the death of John Smith. I could never bring myself to vote Conservative and I don't think there is a single party I could in good conscience vote for anymore.
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Re: No-confidence vote in the Maybot!
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2018, 11:31:47 AM »
I completely agree and why it so tragic that they are now run by Marxists. We need the centre left to have a strong voice in UK politics, they are quite pathetic currently wimpering in the background.

That is a daft statement, imo.

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« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2018, 12:15:25 PM »
That is a daft statement, imo.

Why?

I think that it may be a little hyperbolic, but the current Leader of the Opposition is a student revolutionary who has grown older but hardly grown up. He never even obtained a degree but abandoned his studies because he knew better than his lecturers.
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Re: No-confidence vote in the Maybot!
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2018, 12:19:58 PM »
Why?

I think that it may be a little hyperbolic, but the current Leader of the Opposition is a student revolutionary who has grown older but hardly grown up. He never even obtained a degree but abandoned his studies because he knew better than his lecturers.


Whilst I have no time for Corbyn I wouldn't describe him as a Marxist, more like a limp lettuce.
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Re: No-confidence vote in the Maybot!
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2018, 12:47:24 PM »

Whilst I have no time for Corbyn I wouldn't describe him as a Marxist, more like a limp lettuce.

Telling that you have ignored my and others replies about Labour government achievements.
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Re: No-confidence vote in the Maybot!
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2018, 01:25:37 PM »
That is a daft statement, imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lCcFjRhiaw

In his own words.

Corbyn has never to my knowledge denied being a Marxist, was hugely supportive of the Marxist Venezuela, which makes doom and gloom of fanciful Brexit forecasts look like a walk in the park, in reality it is a shit show.
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Re: No-confidence vote in the Maybot!
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2018, 01:33:14 PM »
Telling that you have ignored my and others replies about Labour government achievements.

I replied directly to you with the opening words:-

I completely agree

That is telling.

Again it is tragic the Labour party is the hands of idealistic extremists and many, very good politicans, are reduced to being in the sidelines.

I have tried several times to get our Corbyn fan club on this forum to defend Corbyn's last manifesto, apart from token whataboutery 'yeah but the tories' there is no defence offered.

He has cult like following, business people would flee from the country if he got elected and would bankrupt this country in a few years.
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« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2018, 01:51:55 PM »
I replied directly to you with the opening words:-

I completely agree

That is telling.

Again it is tragic the Labour party is the hands of idealistic extremists and many, very good politicans, are reduced to being in the sidelines.

I have tried several times to get our Corbyn fan club on this forum to defend Corbyn's last manifesto, apart from token whataboutery 'yeah but the tories' there is no defence offered.

He has cult like following, business people would flee from the country if he got elected and would bankrupt this country in a few years.

I wasn't replying to you. If you look I quoted Littleroses.
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Re: No-confidence vote in the Maybot!
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2018, 06:38:02 PM »
I completely agree and why it so tragic that they are now run by Marxists. We need the centre left to have a strong voice in UK politics, they are quite pathetic currently wimpering in the background.
It wasn't the centre-left that gave us most of those things. The 45-51 government was well to the left, and even the Wilson governmentswere pretty left-wing by today's standards. Jeremy C. is no more left-wing than Clement Attlee or Nye Bevan.
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« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2018, 09:57:03 AM »
I wasn't replying to you. If you look I quoted Littleroses.

My apologies!
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Re: No-confidence vote in the Maybot!
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2018, 10:08:28 AM »
It wasn't the centre-left that gave us most of those things. The 45-51 government was well to the left, and even the Wilson governmentswere pretty left-wing by today's standards. Jeremy C. is no more left-wing than Clement Attlee or Nye Bevan.

Nye Bevan was not PM, Attlee was in coalition with Tories during the war can't imagine Corbyn doing that.
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« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2018, 10:10:24 AM »
Nye Bevan was not PM, Attlee was in coalition with Tories during the war can't imagine Corbyn doing that.
I'm sure he would if we were fighting an all-out war with a fascist power.
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« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2018, 10:23:18 AM »
I'm sure he would if we were fighting an all-out war with a fascist power.


One hopes that would be the case.
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« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2018, 10:50:21 AM »
I'm sure he would if we were fighting an all-out war with a fascist power.

Yeah right he could barely come to say that police should shoot terrorists.

Remind me of Attlee position on nuclear weapons?
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