God

[Stranger]

Unlike all atheists, of course... 

Exactly.   

More seriously, it's possible that some atheists arrive at their view via blind faith, but I suspect that many, like myself, just find claims about gods to be totally unconvincing...

No faith required.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

What about those who don't "start going on about god"?
How should they proceed?

Some points which may be relevant here

Each journey to or away from God has a uniqueness about it because we are individuals.
Having found God we have the option of committing to God
An acquaintance once confessed that he had experienced God but it took him weeks to commit and confess his Christianity.
I know many people on the journey experience a change from intellectual interest to a kind of pull toward God. Waugh described this as the twitch onthe thread.
I'm not sure about the seeker who likes to get their interrogatees to kind of perform rather than earnestly seeking answers or bringing anything to the discussion in terms of how far off the blocks they are.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Unlike all atheists, of course... 

They are absolutely certain that you can't be absolutely certain.

[Roses]

They are absolutely certain that you can't be absolutely certain.

Of course one can't be certain, god and fairies might exist, but it is a case of probability.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Of course one can't be certain, god and fairies might exist, but it is a case of probability.

Probability is a branch of maths so show working out.

[Roses]

Probability is a branch of maths so show working out.

Maths is an alien subject where I am concerned. Since when have you shown probability when making your statements? NEVER!

[Sriram]

It needs to be remembered that spirituality is a process and a practice that over time, leads to self development, greater awareness, broader perspective, wisdom, peace, selflessness, patience and so on.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Maths is an alien subject where I am concerned. Since when have you shown probability when making your statements? NEVER!

Many of my statements are not probability appropriate.

Although anything which essentially has certain physical characteristics is IMV.

[Stranger]

It needs to be remembered that spirituality is a process and a practice that over time, leads to self development, greater awareness, broader perspective, wisdom, peace, selflessness, patience and so on.

Except when it doesn't...

[wigginhall]

Yes, I knew several spiritual teachers who ended up shagging all the women and going off with the cash.  Omm!

[bluehillside Retd.]

Wiggs,

Yes, I knew several spiritual teachers who ended up shagging all the women and going off with the cash.  Omm!

Yeah, sorry about that Grasshopper.

What’s odd I find about those who ask “why atheism?” is that the answer – atheists haven’t seen an arguments for “god” that isn’t false – is already known to them because they use just the same reasoning to reject claims in which they do not believe. “I know that Ra is real because lots of people agree with me/I prayed to Ra and then I found my car keys/my life would be meaningless without Ra/you can’t disprove Ra/your limited logic can’t grasp the reality of Ra” and wearily on are easily identified as by aRa-ists as bad arguments for Ra, yet for some reason we’re expected to take them seriously when they’re applied to whichever god the theist happens to subscribe to. 

It’s a simple test: find me an argument for your god that you don’t already know to be bad one when it’s tried for a different god and then – finally – there will be a conversation to be had. Until then though…

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Wiggs,

Yeah, sorry about that Grasshopper.

What’s odd I find about those who ask “why atheism?” is that the answer – atheists haven’t seen an arguments for “god” that isn’t false.

This is from someone who equates unjustified criticism with cast iron demolition.
Mr my model of morality is correct, can we move on now.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Yes, I knew several spiritual teachers who ended up shagging all the women and going off with the cash.  Omm!

Maybe you should have got the earlier bus.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Wiggs,

Yeah, sorry about that Grasshopper.

What’s odd I find about those who ask “why atheism?” is that the answer – atheists haven’t seen an arguments for “god” that isn’t false – is already known to them because they use just the same reasoning to reject claims in which they do not believe. “I know that Ra is real because lots of people agree with me/I prayed to Ra and then I found my car keys/my life would be meaningless without Ra/you can’t disprove Ra/your limited logic can’t grasp the reality of Ra” and wearily on are easily identified as by aRa-ists as bad arguments for Ra, yet for some reason we’re expected to take them seriously when they’re applied to whichever god the theist happens to subscribe to. 

It’s a simple test: find me an argument for your god that you don’t already know to be bad one when it’s tried for a different god and then – finally – there will be a conversation to be had. Until then though…

Not familiar with these arguments as being from around here.

Have you been seeing another forum and keeping it a secret?

[King Oberon]

Of course one can't be certain, god and fairies might exist, but it is a case of probability.

HEY.. i think you will find fairies DO exist you heathen blasphemer!

http://home.bt.com/news/odd-news/professors-photos-prove-fairies-are-real-11363890179718

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/proof-fairies-exist-mum-photographs-5645367

As that, not rubbish at all movie, Loch Ness says... "you must believe it before you can see it".

Hmm on reflection that's what religion is about... that movie might be deeper than i gave it credit for! 

[Roses]

HEY.. i think you will find fairies DO exist you heathen blasphemer!

http://home.bt.com/news/odd-news/professors-photos-prove-fairies-are-real-11363890179718

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/proof-fairies-exist-mum-photographs-5645367

As that, not rubbish at all movie, Loch Ness says... "you must believe it before you can see it".

Hmm on reflection that's what religion is about... that movie might be deeper than i gave it credit for! 

I will believe in god and fairies when I see them in person, in a way which cannot be refuted.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Floo,

I will believe in god and fairies when I see them in person, in a way which cannot be refuted.

Actually seeing things in person is one of the more unreliable methods of establishing the truth of something. That's why police line-ups (to take one example) often produce false positives.   

[Sebastian Toe]

I'm not sure about the seeker who likes to get their interrogatees to kind of perform rather than earnestly seeking answers or bringing anything to the discussion in terms of how far off the blocks they are.

How can a seeker do anything other than ask questions especially if they don't know whether they are approaching, on, off or haven't yet acquired the "blocks".

[Walt Zingmatilder]

How can a seeker do anything other than ask questions especially if they don't know whether they are approaching, on, off or haven't yet acquired the "blocks".

I'm not sure that someone whose only end is to get people to perform for a type of entertainment can be any kind of seeker apart from a thrill seeker.

As Jesus says no one should set out with the plough looking backwards.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

How can a seeker do anything other than ask questions especially if they don't know whether they are approaching, on, off or haven't yet acquired the "blocks".

Who are you asking the questions of? God ? Yourself?

[Sebastian Toe]

Who are you asking the questions of? God ? Yourself?

You referred to "interrogatees" in the post to which I was responding.
Go figure.

[Sebastian Toe]

As Jesus says no one should set out with the plough looking backwards.

https://cdn.britannica.com/42/3542-050-F8771E6E.jpg

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You referred to "interrogatees" in the post to which I was responding.
Go figure.

I would have expected some self questioning, some self and existential questioning. Otherwise we are just accumulating information, for what purpose? There is also maybe the occasion to tentatively risk an approach to God himself.

You seemed to have owned up to just enjoying interrogating people and so I might question the amount of reflection.

Only you can know where you are on this and I can only offer my opinion based on what you say and what I see you doing.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

https://cdn.britannica.com/42/3542-050-F8771E6E.jpg

Yes that really is a drivers usual stance when driving isn't it.
will you put your money here your mouth is and drive like that to the shops?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

https://cdn.britannica.com/42/3542-050-F8771E6E.jpg

What part of first century Palestine was this photo taken?