Author Topic: Is atheism just a "true for me" thing. (Read 22679 times)

Robbie · « **Reply #100 on:** January 16, 2019, 05:48:34 PM »

Quote from: Owlswing on January 16, 2019, 01:53:27 PM

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No. See my earlier comment. This thread has descended into a debate about the correct use of words.

One of the reasons I post so rarely on this Forum these days is NS's pedantry, he takes nit-picking to a degree that is beyond the ken of most normal folk, and YES YES YES it frequently does come down to I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE THUS and he can deny it all he likes but that will not change my view on the subject, hence my lack of posts.

He's not the only one Owl!

SteveH · « **Reply #101 on:** January 16, 2019, 06:23:36 PM »

Quote from: Owlswing on January 16, 2019, 01:53:27 PM

Quote from: Genial Harry Grout on January 16, 2019, 11:52:33 AM

No. See my earlier comment. This thread has descended into a debate about the correct use of words.

One of the reasons I post so rarely on this Forum these days is NR's pedantry, he takes nit-picking to a degree that is beyond the ken of most normal folk, and YES YES YES it frequently does come down to I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE THUS and he can deny it all he likes but that will not change my view on the subject, hence my lack of posts.

I'm glad it's not just me that thinks so!

Owlswing · « **Reply #102 on:** January 17, 2019, 06:21:32 PM »

Quote from: Robbie on January 16, 2019, 05:48:34 PM

He's not the only one Owl!

He may not be, but he is the worst that I have encountered.

Robbie · « **Reply #103 on:** January 17, 2019, 08:13:03 PM »

It seems that way because he is on here every day, more than the others.

Are your ears burning NS? No 'fence.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #104 on:** January 17, 2019, 08:40:34 PM »

Quote from: Robbie on January 17, 2019, 08:13:03 PM

It seems that way because he is on here every day, more than the others.
Are your ears burning NS? No 'fence.

Not really

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=16443.0

Robbie · « **Reply #105 on:** January 17, 2019, 10:23:24 PM »

Excellent.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #106 on:** March 17, 2019, 07:52:55 AM »

Quote from: BeRational on January 14, 2019, 11:23:03 AM

If someone says there is no god, then they are an atheist, but they then have the burden of proof.

I do not believe the is a god, and I do not believe there is not god

So is atheism a question of avoiding saying there is no God.........

Or is it the belief there is no god rather than the knowledge that there is no god?

And if it is merely the belief there is no god......thensurely atheism is just another true for me position.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #107 on:** March 17, 2019, 08:11:06 AM »

Given the above then I shall now retire from the forum and begin the long and painstaking process of searching through the posts to see if anyone has claimed atheism as more than a true for me thing..oh..it seems it was Bluehillside.

Quote from: bluehillside Retd. on January 14, 2019, 03:32:51 PM

As Vlad has just run away from the explanation for why atheism isn't just a personal truth (because the logic attempted for theism is objectively falsifiable) as fast as his little legs could carry him I think we're done here are we not?

What those individual arguments happen to be is of course a different matter entirely.

Gordon · « **Reply #108 on:** March 17, 2019, 08:24:30 AM »

Quote from: Phyllis Tyne on March 17, 2019, 07:52:55 AM

So is atheism a question of avoiding saying there is no God.........

Or is it the belief there is no god rather than the knowledge that there is no god?

And if it is merely the belief there is no god......thensurely atheism is just another true for me position.

Or none of the above.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #109 on:** March 17, 2019, 09:04:00 AM »

Quote from: Gordon on March 17, 2019, 08:24:30 AM

Or none of the above.

What is your definition of atheism then? Belief in or knowledge of?

Gordon · « **Reply #110 on:** March 17, 2019, 10:25:05 AM »

Quote from: Phyllis Tyne on March 17, 2019, 09:04:00 AM

What is your definition of atheism then? Belief in or knowledge of?

Simply an absence of beliefs about claims of supernatural agency.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #111 on:** March 17, 2019, 11:30:30 AM »

Quote from: Gordon on March 17, 2019, 10:25:05 AM

Simply an absence of beliefs about claims of supernatural agency.
No you believe they are not true. Otherwise you would believe they at least might be true.So no absence of belief about god here.

Roses · « **Reply #112 on:** March 17, 2019, 11:38:41 AM »

The definition of atheism is, "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of god or gods."

Gordon · « **Reply #113 on:** March 17, 2019, 11:39:46 AM »

Quote from: Phyllis Tyne on March 17, 2019, 11:30:30 AM

No you believe they are not true. Otherwise you would believe they at least might be true.So no absence of belief about god here.

Wrong: I don't 'believe they are not true' in that I find nothing in claims of 'God' that gets me that far: all I see is an incoherent mess that is, as they say, no more than meaningless white noise.

Roses · « **Reply #114 on:** March 17, 2019, 11:44:27 AM »

I have asked many times, 'if god/gods exists, why do they hide away?'

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #115 on:** March 17, 2019, 04:16:39 PM »

Quote from: Gordon on March 17, 2019, 11:39:46 AM

Wrong: I don't 'believe they are not true' in that I find nothing in claims of 'God' that gets me that far: all I see is an incoherent mess that is, as they say, no more than meaningless white noise.

If you say you dont believe they are not true then you either believe they are true or they might be true..........unless of course you are posting while holding on to your lucky rabbits foot.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #116 on:** March 17, 2019, 04:19:57 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on March 17, 2019, 11:38:41 AM

The definition of atheism is, "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of god or gods."

And the definition of disbelief is?

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #117 on:** March 17, 2019, 04:23:59 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on March 17, 2019, 11:44:27 AM

I have asked many times, 'if god/gods exists, why do they hide away?'

Gods plural is a ridiculous notion as far as i'm concerned
I dont find God hidden but then I dont expect to see God with my eyes.and thats all I want to say rather than get diverted from the logical nonsense of evasive atheism.

Roses · « **Reply #118 on:** March 17, 2019, 05:00:36 PM »

Quote from: Phyllis Tyne on March 17, 2019, 04:23:59 PM

Gods plural is a ridiculous notion as far as i'm concerned
I dont find God hidden but then I dont expect to see God with my eyes.and thats all I want to say rather than get diverted from the logical nonsense of evasive atheism.

Humans worship many different gods, so they are in the plural. How can you know for a fact your version of a god exists, when you can't see, feel or hear it, so therefore it is hidden. My dear it is you who is spouting evasive nonsense.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #119 on:** March 17, 2019, 05:14:57 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on March 17, 2019, 05:00:36 PM

Humans worship many different gods, so they are in the plural. How can you know for a fact your version of a god exists, when you can't see, feel or hear it, so therefore it is hidden. My dear it is you who is spouting evasive nonsense.

Wrong.
This thread is about whether Atheism is a true for the individual thing or true for everyone.
There are numerous threads covering what you want to talk about which is not wether atheism is objectively true, proven or even logical.

Roses · « **Reply #120 on:** March 17, 2019, 05:25:50 PM »

Quote from: Phyllis Tyne on March 17, 2019, 05:14:57 PM

Wrong.
This thread is about whether Atheism is a true for the individual thing or true for everyone.
There are numerous threads covering what you want to talk about which is not wether atheism is objectively true, proven or even logical.

Unless it can be proved that god/gods exist, it is reasonable to be a non believer. The existence of the Biblical god is as credible as the existence of leprechauns (Happy St Patrick's Day).

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #121 on:** March 17, 2019, 05:32:44 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on March 17, 2019, 05:25:50 PM

Unless it can be proved that god/gods exist, it is reasonable to be a non believer. The existence of the Biblical god is as credible as the existence of leprechauns (Happy St Patrick's Day).

It may be reasonable to be an agnostic but is it reasonable at any stage to be atheist...And does that bring you any closer to stating whether atheism is a true for you thing?

Gordon · « **Reply #122 on:** March 17, 2019, 05:59:52 PM »

Quote from: Phyllis Tyne on March 17, 2019, 04:16:39 PM

If you say you dont believe they are not true then you either believe they are true or they might be true..........unless of course you are posting while holding on to your lucky rabbits foot.

You're not reading for comprehension: I didn't imply that I 'don't believe they are not true', 'are true' or 'might be true' - I said I have no beliefs about 'God(s)' because I think the notion of 'God(s)' is an incoherent mess that is inherently meaningless despite the enthusiasm of such as yourself.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #123 on:** March 17, 2019, 06:41:18 PM »

Quote from: Gordon on March 17, 2019, 05:59:52 PM

You're not reading for comprehension: I didn't imply that I 'don't believe they are not true', 'are true' or 'might be true' - I said I have no beliefs about 'God(s)' because I think the notion of 'God(s)' is an incoherent mess that is inherently meaningless despite the enthusiasm of such as yourself.

The statements"I have no beliefs about God" and"I think the notion of godsis an incoherent mess etc" are not compatable and contradict each other.

Gordon · « **Reply #124 on:** March 17, 2019, 07:06:51 PM »

Quote from: Phyllis Tyne on March 17, 2019, 06:41:18 PM

The statements"I have no beliefs about God" and"I think the notion of godsis an incoherent mess etc" are not compatable and contradict each other.

Don't be silly: I have no beliefs about God(s) because there is nothing meaningful to engage with in the first place.

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Author Topic: Is atheism just a "true for me" thing. (Read 22679 times)