Cardinal Newman - on way to sainthood

[Nearly Sane]

Of course he is


https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-birmingham-47228423

[Roses]

Of course he is


https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-birmingham-47228423

Did he put a plaster on the injury?

[wigginhall]

How do they know he cured somebody?

[Gordon]

The article says this miracle was verified: using what method would be a reasonable question.

[bluehillside Retd.]

There was a piece on this on Today (Radio 4) yesterday I think - from what I heard the RC church has to "confirm" two miracles. I was hoping the interviewer would ask how on earth they'd identify a miracle rather than just an outcome for which no medical explanation was at hand at the time of the event. What too I wondered happens when a probable naturalistic explanation is found long after the miracle had been asserted - a fairly commonplace event I'd have thought as science has discovered more and more over the centuries. Do they go back and kick the saint out of the club or something?   

Bizarre stuff indeed. 

[SusanDoris]

I suppose it is remotely possible that it might make one or two RCs think again about the religious system they are involved in and the associated .dogma.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I suppose it is remotely possible that it might make one or two RCs think again about the religious system they are involved in and the associated .dogma.

Please excuse me but I think ive spotted a bit of humbuggery you might be at the centre of.

Did you not say that the physicist Reverend Wilkinson is better of out of physics.....presumably because he is religious. And yet here you are pontificating on religion.

[Roses]

There was a piece on this on Today (Radio 4) yesterday I think - from what I heard the RC church has to "confirm" two miracles. I was hoping the interviewer would ask how on earth they'd identify a miracle rather than just an outcome for which no medical explanation was at hand at the time of the event. What too I wondered happens when a probable naturalistic explanation is found long after the miracle had been asserted - a fairly commonplace event I'd have thought as science has discovered more and more over the centuries. Do they go back and kick the saint out of the club or something?   

Bizarre stuff indeed.

It is impossible to confirm the so called 'miracles'. However, the balance of probability is that they didn't happen.

[Nearly Sane]

It is impossible to confirm the so called 'miracles'. However, the balance of probability is that they didn't happen.

Probability being a methodologically naturalistic concept means your statement is meaningless.

[Roses]

Probability being a methodologically naturalistic concept means your statement is meaningless.

Ehhhhhhhhh?

[Nearly Sane]

Ehhhhhhhhh?

How we calculate probability of causes is based on an assumption of naturalistic causes. Once you are talking about supernatural causes, the method is worthless, as is the claim about miracles, until a method for evaluating them is provided.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

How we calculate probability of causes is based on an assumption of naturalistic causes. Once you are talking about supernatural causes, the method is worthless, as is the claim about miracles, until a method for evaluating them is provided.

Store that response as you might need to repeat it in another couple of months.

[jeremyp]

Ehhhhhhhhh?

Ignore him. He just pressed the nuclear button.

[Roses]

Ignore him. He just pressed the nuclear button.

Oh dear I thought that bright light was the sun!

[Nearly Sane]

Ignore him. He just pressed the nuclear button.

Nope, probability is methodologically naturalistic. You don't understand going nuclear.

[Sassy]

Of course he is


https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-birmingham-47228423

WHY? What good does making him a saint after death do?

Wasn't he already a saint ? Even a priest?

Philippians 4:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 Salute every saint in Christ Jesus. The brethren which are with me greet you.

1 peter 2:5-6 & 9
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices,
acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious:
 and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people;
 that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;



What a Croc!   No disrespect to the man but it means nothing does it?   

[Roses]

WHY? What good does making him a saint after death do?

Wasn't he already a saint ? Even a priest?

Philippians 4:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 Salute every saint in Christ Jesus. The brethren which are with me greet you.

1 peter 2:5-6 & 9
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices,
acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious:
 and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people;
 that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;



What a Croc!   No disrespect to the man but it means nothing does it?   

Those verses are meaningless, imo.

[jeremyp]

Nope, probability is methodologically naturalistic. You don't understand going nuclear.

You deployed an argument that renders all discussion on the subject meaningless.

Probability, by the way, is a mathematical concept.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Those verses are meaningless, imo.

And that edifies us how exactly?

[Roses]

And that edifies us how exactly?

Those verses aren't edifying.

[SteveH]

Reverend Wilkinson

Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms Wilkinson, or Reverend Mr/etc Wilkinson if you want to be very formal, or Reverend John/Jane Wilkinson, or Reverend J.Wilkinson, but NOT REVEREND WILKINSON! "Reverend Surname" is WRONG, no matter how common it has become in these barbaric times.