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Insert your own adjective for the 7 MPs who have left Labour
Nope. Not unless you are saying that the Gang of Four might have ousted Michael Foot and been good enough to negate the positive boost that Thatcher gained by beating th Argentine Junta and Arthur Scargill.
That argument works for 1983 as Foot was already ensconced as leader. But let's not forget that Foot resigned straight after the 83 election.So in a game of 'what if' had the Gang of Four not set up the SDP we might have seen David Owen, rather than Neil Kinnock, take over as Labour leader in 83. Had that been the case then perhaps the complexion of the 87 election result might have been significantly different.
Not convinced it would have been that different. Not saying you are wrong but 87 didn't feel that close.
Neither 83 nor 87 were close - but that is in part because the non Tory vote was horribly split.83:Conservative - 42.4%Labour - 27.6%Alliance - 25.4%83:Conservative - 42.2%Labour - 30.8%Alliance - 22.6%David Owen at the time was a very charismatic and effective leader - had he been leader of the Labour party in 87 we might have seen a non tory vote split of more like 40 to 13.But hey, who knows - it's ancient history, but fun to speculate.
Much though I loathed Scarghill and McGahey, There were to many negatives involved in defeating them for any rejoicing.We're still dealing with the negatives in my town.
Except he lost votes from 83 to 87.
Which is true but overall Thatcher got a boost from beating Galtieri and Scargill which was nothing to do with the SDP
Because we'd gone beyond 'peak' Alliance and Kinnock wasn't Foot. Question is whether Owen would have been more electorally favourable for Labour than Kinnock.
Thatcher got a massive boost from the Falklands. She got no boost at all from beating the minors. In fact her lowest polling in the 83-87 electoral cycle was in the summer and autumn of 85 just after she'd 'won' against Scargill.
who knows. He didn't gain votes so somehow you argue he would have gained more than Kinnock?
And that's assuming he could have been elected to leader of the Labour party.
And here in the anti racism side, Angela Smith on people with 'funny tinge'https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeSegalov/status/1097487967730483201
It appears that they are not a political party ...
True - but they have never claimed to be. Currently they are a group of independent MPs - they are not a political party. In time they may form one, but it is a bit harsh to castigate them for not being something they have never claimed to be.
As I said, I've given up. Been a labour supporter all my life and I've thrown in the towel. That they are all conspiring to make a complete fuck up of opposition is totally depressing. The breakaway group are as self serving as the rest of the bastards. I never thought I would get to the stage where I would voice that oft-expressed sentiment of the "common person" but they are all in it for themselves. We need a revolution and heads on spikes.
83:Conservative - 42.4%Labour - 27.6%Alliance - 25.4%
But they have Derek Hatton back
They must be desperate!
