Religion

[SteveH]

And...'insulting'....really!!  Ha...Ha!   You seem to have missed all the insults directed at me.... and others...by the atheist bunch!   

Well, I agree about that: it's the non-believers on here who specialise in non-stop sarcasm against believers. That's why I keep getting suspended: I lose my temper and tell them to **** ***, or similar.

[Walter]

Well, I agree about that: it's the non-believers on here who specialise in non-stop sarcasm against believers. That's why I keep getting suspended: I lose my temper and tell them to **** ***, or similar.

if you present yourself as a target don't be surprised when someone takes a shot

[Roses]

If posters, whether they are believers or non believers, make statements which appear nonsensical to others they can expect to be challenged. Losing one's rag doesn't help the situation, especially if unpleasant swear words are used.

[SteveH]

If posters, whether they are believers or non believers, make statements which appear nonsensical to others they can expect to be challenged. Loosing one's rag doesn't help the situation, especially if unpleasant swear words are used.

I'm prepared to be challenged, but with reason and evidence. Sarcasm and insults are what I'm complaining about. You mean "losing", btw.

[Maeght]

  There you go again! You don't get it at all...do you?!

If you keep looking through a microscope...how can I show you the stars?!!  The evidence is there....its just that you can't see it!!

Get your head away from the microscope and then you can see the evidence.

Or maybe its not there but all in your imagination.

[ekim]

Or maybe its not there but all in your imagination.

Possibly what is behind the 2nd commandment ... don't try and create images of that which is beyond imagination, it will only lead you astray.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sriram,

  There you go again! You don't get it at all...do you?!

If you keep looking through a microscope...how can I show you the stars?!!  The evidence is there....its just that you can't see it!!

Get your head away from the microscope and then you can see the evidence.

Oh he gets it all right - and much better than you do. The only "microscope" he and and some others of us are confined to is reason. And if reason can't lead to these supposed "stars" of yours, then it's your job to propose something else that will. Currently though all you have is, "suspend your critical faculties and just accept as true anything I say" which I suspect even you can see is a very bad argument.

I also incidentally took the time to correct your various mistakes in Replies 72 and 78, though predictably I see that you just ignored them - presumably so you can repeat exactly the same mistakes without a scintilla of doubt to cloud your woo-centred certainties. 

What does this say about you do you think?

[bluehillside Retd.]

SteveH,

Well, I agree about that: it's the non-believers on here who specialise in non-stop sarcasm against believers. That's why I keep getting suspended: I lose my temper and tell them to **** ***, or similar.

You do know that it's Sriram who uses terms like, “Many of you are in the mental stage of adolescence”, “thinking microscopic”, “bipolar” etc right?

By contrast by and large it's the non-believers here who use reason and argument to demolish the validating arguments attempted by theists. This is perhaps because, when you have reason on your side, there's no point in using insult instead, whereas when reason undoes Sriram he resorts to evasion and insult while he makes good his escape.   

[bluehillside Retd.]

SteveH,

I'm prepared to be challenged, but with reason and evidence. Sarcasm and insults are what I'm complaining about. You mean "losing", btw.

Does it occur to you that calling arguments you don't like and can't rebut "sarcasm and insults" is just a way of processing the problem so as to avoid it?

[Roses]

I'm prepared to be challenged, but with reason and evidence. Sarcasm and insults are what I'm complaining about. You mean "losing", btw.

And of course you are never sarcastic or insulting.

[SteveH]

SteveH,

Does it occur to you that calling arguments you don't like and can't rebut "sarcasm and insults" is just a way of processing the problem so as to avoid it?

I'm not doing that. Reason and evidence are fine, and I have modified my opinions about some things when presented with arguments and evidence that are persuasive. I mean argument-free sarcasm and insults.

[SteveH]

And of course you are never sarcastic or insulting.

Insulting occasionally, when I lose my temper with the sarcasm-merchants (though I'm trying not to from now on); sarcasm - maybe very occasionally, but not as nearly as obsessively as some people.

[Roses]

Insulting occasionally, when I lose my temper with the sarcasm-merchants (though I'm trying not to from now on); sarcasm - maybe very occasionally, but not as nearly as obsessively as some people.

If you say so.


Anyway getting back to the topic of religion, if a faith does it for a person making them more fulfilled in a good, caring way that is fine by me, even if I don't share their beliefs. I find it objectionable when their belief in a religion turns them into a person with extremist views that they try to force on others, often with threats if they don't convert.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Steve H,

I'm not doing that. Reason and evidence are fine, and I have modified my opinions about some things when presented with arguments and evidence that are persuasive. I mean argument-free sarcasm and insults.

I'm not aware that you've been subject to either, but I am aware that you claim to have been when the arguments have been unwelcome. That's the point.

[Sriram]

Or maybe its not there but all in your imagination.

How would you even know that with your eyes stuck on the microscope?!   Maybe because you can't see it, you are imagining that we are imagining it!

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sriram,

How would you even know that with your eyes stuck on the microscope?!   Maybe because you can't see it, you are imagining that we are imagining it!

Because you're unable to propose a method to validate or justify your beliefs other than "because I say so", and who's "we"?

Calling the use of reason and evidence a "microscope" just makes you look foolish. If they can't support your claims, suggest something else that can.   

[jeremyp]

yes that's the one
The Yorkshire Air Museum at ELvington   Well worth a visit.

Agreed. My one criticism is that they seem to have left several of the outside exhibits to rot. Also, if you remove the engines from a jet, you should put some sort of blanking plate in the jet pipe. There's nothing sadder than looking at a jet fighter and being able see right down the jet pipes.

[bluehillside Retd.]

jeremy,

There's nothing sadder than looking at a jet fighter and being able see right down the jet pipes.

How about when Bambi's Mum gets killed?

[Walter]

Agreed. My one criticism is that they seem to have left several of the outside exhibits to rot. Also, if you remove the engines from a jet, you should put some sort of blanking plate in the jet pipe. There's nothing sadder than looking at a jet fighter and being able see right down the jet pipes.

I didn't notice anything like that (you shouldn't be looking up jet pipes , its rude ) the other day. Apart from the ones waiting for renovation and the whole place smelt of fresh paint too.
I think the mugs , sorry, volunteers had be working especially hard .

[Walter]

jeremy,

How about when Bambi's Mum gets killed?

quick ! pass the tissues 

[jeremyp]

jeremy,

How about when Bambi's Mum gets killed?

I’ve no idea. I haven’t seen Bambi.

[Maeght]

How would you even know that with your eyes stuck on the microscope?!   Maybe because you can't see it, you are imagining that we are imagining it!

Its possible. Is it possible you are imagining it?

[Sriram]

Its possible. Is it possible you are imagining it?

Unlikely!  It is certainly possible that our individual interpretations are imaginary and culture related. But the basic experience and its after effects are not imaginary.  They are real and are common across the world.

[Maeght]

Unlikely!  It is certainly possible that our individual interpretations are imaginary and culture related. But the basic experience and its after effects are not imaginary.  They are real and are common across the world.

I accept people have experiences, I don't think anyone questions that. That people interpret them in an imaginary way and influenced by their culture is certainly not unlikely.

[Sriram]

I accept people have experiences, I don't think anyone questions that. That people interpret them in an imaginary way and influenced by their culture is certainly not unlikely.

What?

I think that's what I said.