Britain's next leader

[Gordon]

I'm simply pointing out that, as evidenced by the 2016 EU referendum and in the recent EU elections, that the balance of opinion in Scotland is pro EU and anti-Brexit.

However, when it comes to mainstream political reporting this aspect rarely gets a mention so it is galling to hear, as we did after the recent EU elections, those parties who lost seats concluding that the message from the electorate was that they needed to 'get on and deliver Brexit' when the message from the Scottish electorate is that they should stop Brexit.

Brexit is breaking the UK, and the likely installation of the odious Boris Johnson as PM will exacerbate this.

[Nearly Sane]

How did you figure that one out? I don't think I've ever seen Susan claim to support one political party or another.

ETA: OK her "I shall vote for Jeremy Hunt" comment suggests she is a member, but that doesn't mean she supports the policy on disabled people's benefits.

 She is a member as she makes clear. Being a member of the party means supporting the austerity that has lead to disabled people committing suicide.

[Spud]

Gordon, yes I understand- I just wanted to clarify that Cameron and co weren't dishonest at the time. But I totally understand how you feel about the whole thing, and as you know I think the referendum was won by Remain, because the eventual choice is between hard border or soft border or full EU membership, and clearly the 16 million remainers are more than the supporters of either of the other two options. The latter don't admit it though.

[SusanDoris]

How did you figure that one out? I don't think I've ever seen Susan claim to support one political party or another.

It so happens that I became a member of the conservative Party a long time ago and, as the Conservative successive MPs in this area have beenthe the sort who did their best, I preferred to remain a member rather than vote for other candidates for other parties; but this has always been done from a point of view that, looking at the options, I still think the Conservative Party, made up of human beings, not superpeople, was my best bet. I used to know a LibDem who was working for that party and, just for fun, I voted for the LibDem candidate in local elections. I knew of course that he didn't stand a chance in this area!

ETA: OK her "I shall vote for Jeremy Hunt" comment suggests she is a member, but that doesn't mean she supports the policy on disabled people's benefits.

I would be daft if I supported everything the Party do, and I can see where there are faults of course, but in general, I'l remain a member of the Conservatives until something much better turns up ... ... by which time I doubt I'll still be alive to vote for it!

For one example: the good local MP is a member of the Commons Bible Study group and supports faith schools. I support the NSS's campaign to challenge at every turn the teaching of any and all  faith(s) since not one has an objective  fact to back up their 100% faith beliefs.

[jeremyp]

I'm simply pointing out that, as evidenced by the 2016 EU referendum and in the recent EU elections, that the balance of opinion in Scotland is pro EU and anti-Brexit.

However, when it comes to mainstream political reporting this aspect rarely gets a mention

It's not relevant, that's why.

Regions didn't vote in the referendum, people did. Every Scot had exactly the same influence over Brexit as every English person did.
 

[jeremyp]

Being a member of the party means supporting the austerity that has lead to disabled people committing suicide.

No it doesn't.

[Gordon]

It's not relevant, that's why.

Regions didn't vote in the referendum, people did. Every Scot had exactly the same influence over Brexit as every English person did.

Thing is though that the results were collated and presented in such as way as to show variations in terms of the 4 nations of the (dis)United Kingdom along with the various geographic areas of each EU referendum breakdown, which confirms that 2 of the 4 nations had a Remain majority, most notably in the case of Scotland.

As such the 'bring the nation together' rhetoric of some Brexit enthusiasts isn't supported by either the 2016 referendum or the 2019 EU election results. Therefore, should there be a breakdown of the current UK political situation as the result of Brexit happening, or not happening, then surely the view in Scotland is relevant when the main political party here in Scotland is anti-Brexit and pro-independence.

[Gordon]

Polly Toynbee on the current state of the Tory party: someone needs to put it out of its misery.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2019/jun/22/boris-johnson-character-issue-nation

[Nearly Sane]

The reaction of some to the reporting of the argument at Johnson's partner's flat makes me think that we are still a long way from understanding how to deal with domestic violence. That calling police when you are worried about a neighbour's safety has been portrayed by some as bad is just scary.

[Walter]

The reaction of some to the reporting of the argument at Johnson's partner's flat makes me think that we are still a long way from understanding how to deal with domestic violence. That calling police when you are worried about a neighbour's safety has been portrayed by some as bad is just scary.

I agree , Johnson may have been in danger.
           , his partner may have been in danger.

[Dicky Underpants]

The reaction of some to the reporting of the argument at Johnson's partner's flat makes me think that we are still a long way from understanding how to deal with domestic violence. That calling police when you are worried about a neighbour's safety has been portrayed by some as bad is just scary.

The reaction from Jacob Rees Mogg was particularly creepy, but perhaps only to be expected from someone who sees all these matters in terms of people's political motivations. We hear that there were screams of "Get off me! Get out of my flat!" which might suggest that physical assault was involved, particularly since these things were audible from the street.
Rees Mogg reduced this to images of people 'snooping', listening with drinking glasses pressed against walls etc, all with left-wing political motives to undermine the Tory voting procedure.

[Nearly Sane]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

[Spud]

Could have been a spider or something? I think giving the details to the press is not good.

[Maeght]

Could have been a spider or something? I think giving the details to the press is not good.

A spider. Really?

[Nearly Sane]

Could have been a spider or something? I think giving the details to the press is not good.

Drivel

[Nearly Sane]

Simon Heffer, no left winger, on Johnson




https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/06/supporting-boris-johnson-desperate-mps-know-they-are-backing-idle-lying?fbclid=IwAR3fdcJUMvc-rW4xMpTCoTm4zZmAMftMSaN3NPj-PXAG-edhsfsrfqCsZYY

[Nearly Sane]

How Oxford University Union shaped the next PM


https://www.ft.com/content/85fc694c-9222-11e9-b7ea-60e35ef678d2

[SusanDoris]

One of the - many - things that really annoys me about Boris is that he simply cannot speak coherently.

[SteveH]

After the unfortunate flapdoodle at his girlfriend's flat (he's old enough to be her father, ffs!), his popularity apparently took as nose-dive, both with the general public and with Tory voters. Could ha actually be about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

[ProfessorDavey]

After the unfortunate flapdoodle at his girlfriend's flat (he's old enough to be her fsther, ffs!), his popularity apparently took as nose-dive, both with the general public and with Tory voters. Could ha actually be about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

Still solidly ahead with tory members (the only people with a vote) although the gap has narrowed since red-wine-sofa-gate

[Nearly Sane]

One of the - many - things that really annoys me about Boris is that he simply cannot speak coherently.

That's an affectation in many ways. He doesn't want to be understood enough to be picked up on his inaccuracies.

[Udayana]

One of the - many - things that really annoys me about Boris is that he simply cannot speak coherently.

Dissembling and misdirection - essentially to cover up lying and false arguments.

[ProfessorDavey]

OK this has gone beyond parody - watch from 6.01s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=gRHfgF0l1Jc

Boris relaxes by making model buses out of wine boxes

[Nearly Sane]

OK this has gone beyond parody - watch from 6.01s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=gRHfgF0l1Jc

Boris relaxes by making model buses out of wine boxes

Doesn't he look tired?

[Spud]

Drivel

Put a bib on then.