Author Topic: Notre Dame Cathedral is on fire! (Read 3789 times)

Spud · « **Reply #25 on:** April 16, 2019, 03:00:14 PM »

Quote from: Alan Burns on April 16, 2019, 11:12:15 AM

The biggest sadness for me is that most of the concerns are for a loss of a tourist attraction rather than the loss of the loss of a magnificent place of worship.

France seems to have a cathedral in every town, or at least that's the impression I got. Their churches are massive!

Roses · « **Reply #26 on:** April 16, 2019, 03:11:07 PM »

It is a pity the RCC doesn't spend more helping the poor rather than on its buildings.

Maeght · « **Reply #27 on:** April 16, 2019, 03:28:41 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on April 16, 2019, 03:11:07 PM

It is a pity the RCC doesn't spend more helping the poor rather than on its buildings.

The RCC doesn't own Notre Dam if course. Not sure they own any f the churches in France either, could be wrong though.

bluehillside Retd. · « **Reply #28 on:** April 16, 2019, 03:47:15 PM »

Floo,

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It is a pity the RCC doesn't spend more helping the poor rather than on its buildings.

Notre-Dame Cathedral is owned by the French Ministry of Culture.

ippy · « **Reply #29 on:** April 16, 2019, 05:00:48 PM »

Quote from: Maeght on April 16, 2019, 02:03:02 PM

Why did you quote me?

I didn't knowingly quote you, I placed my own personal feelings about Notre Dame on this forum and it looks like my view coincides with yours; you must be bordering on being a genius!

Regards ippy

Harrowby Hall · « **Reply #30 on:** April 16, 2019, 06:46:39 PM »

Quote from: Maeght on April 16, 2019, 03:28:41 PM

The RCC doesn't own Notre Dam if course. Not sure they own any f the churches in France either, could be wrong though.

Churches were taken into State ownership during the Revolution and have so remained - although I do not know of the status of any churches built since then.

The three churches in my commune are all owned and managed by the commune. There is an individual responsible for managing bookings. The church in the main village is used for both RC and CofE services (local expat community). It accommodates more Anglican than RC events.

I note Alan Burns vacuous comment. He clearly fails to understand the cultural importance of ancient churches if he perceives them to be of interest only to believers and grockles. The buildings encapsulate a huge range of important cultural attributes related to the development of modern values - one of which is religious belief.

jeremyp · « **Reply #31 on:** April 16, 2019, 07:26:54 PM »

Quote from: Maeght on April 16, 2019, 02:03:02 PM

Why did you quote me?

Why didn’t you quote me?

Maeght · « **Reply #32 on:** April 16, 2019, 09:21:00 PM »

Quote from: ippy on April 16, 2019, 05:00:48 PM

I didn't knowingly quote you, I placed my own personal feelings about Notre Dame on this forum and it looks like my view coincides with yours; you must be bordering on being a genius!

Regards ippy

Um, thanks, but no, you included my post in quotes in your post but your post seemed to have no relationship to my post, hence my question.

Roses · « **Reply #33 on:** April 17, 2019, 08:32:52 AM »

As devastating as Notre-Dame fire is, at least it has silenced the 'B' word this week, for which I, and no doubt others are grateful.

Sriram · « **Reply #34 on:** April 17, 2019, 02:49:11 PM »

Much more is being devastated around the world than Notre Dame. I wish similar shock was felt and immediate action was taken on such matters.

Roses · « **Reply #35 on:** April 17, 2019, 02:58:37 PM »

Quote from: Sriram on April 17, 2019, 02:49:11 PM

Much more is being devastated around the world than Notre Dame. I wish similar shock was felt and immediate action was taken on such matters.

For instance?

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #36 on:** April 17, 2019, 03:12:13 PM »

Quote from: Sriram on April 17, 2019, 02:49:11 PM

Much more is being devastated around the world than Notre Dame. I wish similar shock was felt and immediate action was taken on such matters.

Whataboutery rides!

Udayana · « **Reply #37 on:** April 17, 2019, 08:56:52 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on April 17, 2019, 02:58:37 PM

For instance?

Grenfell? Sprinklers in schools? Vestes jaunes? Economics, immigration, Front National? Yemen, Syria, Libya, Algeria, climate change?

torridon · « **Reply #38 on:** April 18, 2019, 06:45:41 AM »

Pledges and donations totalling around $1bn now. Amazing generous response to tragedy n'est ce pas ?

On the other hand the DEC appeal for the victims Cyclone Idai has managed to raise £29m so far, a paltry sum by comparison.

Isn't this obscene ? 1000 people killed and 3 million lives torn apart through loss of livelihood and property. But we are far more bothered about preserving our cultural heritage

Bramble · « **Reply #39 on:** April 18, 2019, 08:19:03 AM »

Whenever a report is published detailing the extent of our catastrophic devastation of the natural world it struggles to get a couple of minutes at the end of a news programme. The contrast is revealing.

Enki · « **Reply #40 on:** April 18, 2019, 10:40:59 AM »

Quote from: Sriram on April 17, 2019, 02:49:11 PM

Much more is being devastated around the world than Notre Dame. I wish similar shock was felt and immediate action was taken on such matters.

I think the problem lies with human nature. We generally give more importance to events that are emotionally closer to us.

I remember the disaster of Aberfan very well and it was given huge media(mainly newspapers) coverage at that time. Few will remember a short paragraph in one of the newspapers that I read detailing the number of people killed by a flood in East Pakistan(Bangladesh) at the same time and which greatly outnumbered those killed in the Aberfan disaster.

Roses · « **Reply #41 on:** April 18, 2019, 12:31:16 PM »

Quote from: enki on April 18, 2019, 10:40:59 AM

I think the problem lies with human nature. We generally give more importance to events that are emotionally closer to us.

I remember the disaster of Aberfan very well and it was given huge media(mainly newspapers) coverage at that time. Few will remember a short paragraph in one of the newspapers that I read detailing the number of people killed by a flood in East Pakistan(Bangladesh) at the same time and which greatly outnumbered those killed in the Aberfan disaster.

You make a good point.

My husband and I will not be giving any money to the Notre-Dame appeal, even though we have been there on a special occasion, at the turn of the century. We prefer to give money to help people, not buildings.

Udayana · « **Reply #42 on:** April 18, 2019, 01:52:59 PM »

Quote from: enki on April 18, 2019, 10:40:59 AM

I think the problem lies with human nature. We generally give more importance to events that are emotionally closer to us.
...

Agreed, but that is not the only or, necessarily, the most important flaw. The question is, can it be fixed?

Walter · « **Reply #43 on:** May 13, 2019, 05:06:13 PM »

Quote from: Alan Burns on April 16, 2019, 11:12:15 AM

The biggest sadness for me is that most of the concerns are for a loss of a tourist attraction rather than the loss of the loss of a magnificent place of worship.

AB
if you're looking for a magnificent place of worship , try the rolling hills and coastline of Northumberland . Wonderful. And your god made it all.

SteveH · « **Reply #44 on:** May 15, 2019, 07:34:22 AM »

Quote from: Alan Burns on April 16, 2019, 11:12:15 AM

The biggest sadness for me is that most of the concerns are for a loss of a tourist attraction rather than the loss of the loss of a magnificent place of worship.

Well, happily it hasn't been completely lost, though it'll take years to restore.

Harrowby Hall · « **Reply #45 on:** May 15, 2019, 09:32:59 AM »

Quote from: Steve H on May 15, 2019, 07:34:22 AM

... it'll take years to restore.

Indeed.

As I heard one person comment: Those oak beams. They don't grow on trees ...

SteveH · « **Reply #46 on:** May 15, 2019, 09:55:43 AM »

Quote from: Harrowby Hall on May 15, 2019, 09:32:59 AM

Indeed.

As I heard one person comment: Those oak beams. They don't grow on trees ...

Samuel · « **Reply #47 on:** May 15, 2019, 03:03:43 PM »

Quote from: Harrowby Hall on May 15, 2019, 09:32:59 AM

Indeed.

As I heard one person comment: Those oak beams. They don't grow on trees ...

please tell me that's a joke... you didn't really hear that as a genuine comment did you?

Harrowby Hall · « **Reply #48 on:** May 17, 2019, 09:21:32 AM »

It was intended to be humour. But it had a serious point, too.

jeremyp · « **Reply #49 on:** May 17, 2019, 06:37:27 PM »

Quote from: Harrowby Hall on May 17, 2019, 09:21:32 AM

It was intended to be humour. But it had a serious point, too.

Yes, because, in fact they don't grow on trees, they are trees.

Sourcing enough oak to replace the beams might be problematic. In fact, it might be better to use a more modern stronger, lighter and less flammable material.

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Author Topic: Notre Dame Cathedral is on fire! (Read 3789 times)