Author Topic: Alabama has banned abortion! (Read 4327 times)

Alan Burns · « **Reply #25 on:** May 22, 2019, 04:47:42 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on May 20, 2019, 08:12:39 PM

Rape apologist

Rape is a horrendous crime.
So is tearing an unborn child out of its own mother's womb.

Robbie · « **Reply #26 on:** May 22, 2019, 06:19:09 PM »

Nothing is torn, Alan, it's a gentle, low key procedure nowadays.

jeremyp · « **Reply #27 on:** May 22, 2019, 07:24:43 PM »

Quote from: Alan Burns on May 22, 2019, 04:47:42 PM

Rape is a horrendous crime.
So is tearing an unborn child out of its own mother's womb.

In the UK, up to 24 weeks, abortion is not a crime at all.

Roses · « **Reply #28 on:** May 23, 2019, 11:58:01 AM »

I am of the opinion if a termination is required after 20 weeks, steps should be taken to preserve the life of the foetus if that is possible.

jeremyp · « **Reply #29 on:** May 23, 2019, 12:35:07 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on May 23, 2019, 11:58:01 AM

I am of the opinion if a termination is required after 20 weeks, steps should be taken to preserve the life of the foetus if that is possible.

Why 20 weeks? Even at 24, long term survival is rare.

Roses · « **Reply #30 on:** May 23, 2019, 01:48:54 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on May 23, 2019, 12:35:07 PM

Why 20 weeks? Even at 24, long term survival is rare.

Although rare I believe a very small number of babies have survived between 20/24 weeks.

SusanDoris · « **Reply #31 on:** May 23, 2019, 03:36:41 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on May 23, 2019, 01:48:54 PM

Although rare I believe a very small number of babies have survived between 20/24 weeks.

But only with oxygen tents (or whatever they're called) and 24-hour medical care I think.

SteveH · « **Reply #32 on:** May 23, 2019, 04:19:07 PM »

Quote from: SusanDoris on May 23, 2019, 03:36:41 PM

But only with oxygen tents (or whatever they're called) and 24-hour medical care I think.

Very likely, but irrelevant. The point is that they can (rarely, and with lots of intervention) survive at 20 weeks, which is one reason why I thinkthat should be the limit for "social" abortions: it gives the woman quite enough time to decide. If the mother's life or physical health is at risk, or if the foetus is found to be so abnormal that it won't be able to survive birth for long, or is already dead, or if it is found to have any one of a specific group of really awful genetic conditions such as epidermolysis bullosa, proteus syndrome, or a few others (the list could be agreed by lawmakers, and shouldn't be too long), I think it should be allowed up to birth.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #33 on:** May 23, 2019, 10:44:50 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on May 22, 2019, 01:12:25 PM

I agree. If you truly believe that aborting a foetus at six weeks is morally murder and therefore it should be banned, then you can't allow exceptions based on who the father of the foetus was or the circumstances of the conception.

You might argue that the damage to the psychological or physical health of the mother could balance the moral wrong of doing the abortion, but I don't think you'd find any pro-lifer arguing that unless the mother's life was in danger of being lost and even if they did, it opens up the possibility of allowing abortions in other circumstances which they do not want.

So, supporting making abortion illegal even for rape victims is not rape apology.

Except Alan accepts the OT with the approved rape there so he is a rape apologist.

SteveH · « **Reply #34 on:** May 23, 2019, 11:03:13 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on May 23, 2019, 10:44:50 PM

Except Alan accepts the OT with the approved rape there so he is a rape apologist.

No, he isn't. You're just being silly now.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #35 on:** May 23, 2019, 11:21:35 PM »

Quote from: Steve H on May 23, 2019, 11:03:13 PM

No, he isn't. You're just being silly now.

Are you saying Alan doesn't believe in the truth of the OT? Or that rape isn't approved in the OT?

SteveH · « **Reply #36 on:** May 23, 2019, 11:31:58 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on May 23, 2019, 11:21:35 PM

Are you saying Alan doesn't believe in the truth of the OT? Or that rape isn't approved in the OT?

Conservative Christians say, quite sincerely, that they believe in the whole of the bible, while quiety overlooking or explaining away the awkward bits. It doesn't mean that they approve of rape, or for that matter genocide. It just means that they are logically inconsistent, like most people.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #37 on:** May 23, 2019, 11:35:24 PM »

Quote from: Steve H on May 23, 2019, 11:31:58 PM

Conservative Christians say, quite sincerely, that they believe in the whole of the bible, while quiety overlooking or explaining away the awkward bits. It doesn't mean that they approve of rape, or for that matter genocide. It just means that they are logically inconsistent, like most people.

So you think Alan is a lying hypocrite?

SteveH · « **Reply #38 on:** May 24, 2019, 06:51:13 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on May 23, 2019, 11:35:24 PM

So you think Alan is a lying hypocrite?

Sigh... Why don't you try reading what people have actually written?

Anchorman · « **Reply #39 on:** May 24, 2019, 08:28:11 AM »

Quote from: Steve H on May 23, 2019, 11:31:58 PM

Conservative Christians say, quite sincerely, that they believe in the whole of the bible, while quiety overlooking or explaining away the awkward bits. It doesn't mean that they approve of rape, or for that matter genocide. It just means that they are logically inconsistent, like most people.

I'd offer that most Christians, and I assume Alan would confim, would accept that the New Covenant made byChrist (as God) supercedes the old between God and Israel.
In the same way, His command to "love...." and you can place everyone in the mix there, means that harming orviolating a person breaks that command.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #40 on:** May 24, 2019, 08:32:30 AM »

Quote from: Anchorman on May 24, 2019, 08:28:11 AM

I'd offer that most Christians, and I assume Alan would confim, would accept that the New Covenant made byChrist (as God) supercedes the old between God and Israel.
In the same way, His command to "love...." and you can place everyone in the mix there, means that harming orviolating a person breaks that command.

But that doesn't change that if you accept the OT as true, that the god of the OT approves of rape. If you worship the god of the OT, you worship rape.

SteveH · « **Reply #41 on:** May 24, 2019, 03:38:42 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on May 24, 2019, 08:32:30 AM

But that doesn't change that if you accept the OT as true, that the god of the OT approves of rape. If you worship the god of the OT, you worship rape.

Chapter and verse, please, for the OT's approval of rape.

jeremyp · « **Reply #42 on:** May 24, 2019, 07:44:11 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on May 23, 2019, 10:44:50 PM

Except Alan accepts the OT

Does he? He probably cherry picks, like most Christians.

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with the approved rape there so he is a rape apologist.

Well you should have made that clear in your response to a post that actually made no mention of the Old Testament at all. It looks as though you were calling him rape apologist just because he said there are two lives involved and therefore abortion is bad.

jeremyp · « **Reply #43 on:** May 24, 2019, 07:49:14 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on May 24, 2019, 08:32:30 AM

But that doesn't change that if you accept the OT as true, that the god of the OT approves of rape. If you worship the god of the OT, you worship rape.

What I see here is you making a mistake and trying to pretend you didn't mean what you wrote. This is a thread about abortion and if you really did mean to claim that Alan is a rape apologist for believing in the Old Testament then your comment was just random off topic noise.

Roses · « **Reply #44 on:** May 30, 2019, 10:29:09 AM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48458780

The survival of the smallest baby born at 23 weeks, incredible!

Roses · « **Reply #45 on:** May 31, 2019, 11:33:16 AM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48454415

Pence might feel differently if he was a woman and had got pregnant after being raped.

SteveH · « **Reply #46 on:** June 04, 2019, 09:19:56 AM »

Quote from: Littleroses on May 31, 2019, 11:33:16 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48454415

Pence might feel differently if he was a woman and had got pregnant after being raped.

Completely irrelevant comment.

Roses · « **Reply #47 on:** June 04, 2019, 10:05:40 AM »

Quote from: Steve H on June 04, 2019, 09:19:56 AM

Completely irrelevant comment.

I think I made a valid comment unlike your totally irrelevant one.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #48 on:** June 27, 2019, 09:21:44 AM »

Meanwhile women charged for manslaughter of foetus after being shot in stomach

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/alabama-is-prosecuting-a-pregnant-woman-for-manslaughter-for-being-shot-in-the-stomach-but-not-her-shooter/

SusanDoris · « **Reply #49 on:** June 27, 2019, 01:42:50 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 27, 2019, 09:21:44 AM

Meanwhile women charged for manslaughter of foetus after being shot in stomach

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/alabama-is-prosecuting-a-pregnant-woman-for-manslaughter-for-being-shot-in-the-stomach-but-not-her-shooter/

I don't think I'll read the link - but it sounds like complete madness.

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Author Topic: Alabama has banned abortion! (Read 4327 times)