Author Topic: Beyond Science (Read 6689 times)

Walter · « **Reply #50 on:** May 30, 2019, 02:50:52 PM »

Quote from: Sriram on May 30, 2019, 02:45:07 PM

Don't be silly Walter!

You don't want to read what I have written. You don't want to discuss what I ask you about. You want some silly example of something you will never understand ....and you are now giving me a 'last chance' to prove myself. What??!! Really??!! Which world are you in?

I am not putting up anything here for your or anyone else's approval! You have a bloody cheek!! Giving me a last chance indeed! Ha...Ha!

you ask 'which world am I in?'

Sriram , the real one mate , the real one .

Walter · « **Reply #51 on:** May 30, 2019, 02:52:16 PM »

in other words

shit or get off the pot

Sriram · « **Reply #52 on:** May 30, 2019, 03:00:44 PM »

My mistake in attempting to converse with you...Walter. Apologies!

Why don't you just go and get drunk somewhere instead of attempting philosophy. More your style, I should think.

Cheers.

Walter · « **Reply #53 on:** May 30, 2019, 03:29:18 PM »

Quote from: Sriram on May 30, 2019, 03:00:44 PM

My mistake in attempting to converse with you...Walter. Apologies!

Why don't you just go and get drunk somewhere instead of attempting philosophy. More your style, I should think.

Cheers.

Sriram

that's exactly the point , you didn't try and converse with me .

and as for getting drunk somewhere ,a very tempting idea even though you were trying to insult me. I should think .

ippy · « **Reply #54 on:** May 30, 2019, 05:45:08 PM »

Quote from: Walter on May 30, 2019, 03:29:18 PM

Sriram

that's exactly the point , you didn't try and converse with me .

and as for getting drunk somewhere ,a very tempting idea even though you were trying to insult me. I should think .

Walter like you I'd like Sriram to give a rational, perhaps with a little logic thrown in, explanation about how and why he seems to think some of his thoughts are not indistinguishable from woo, I very much doubt holding my breath waiting for him to answer would be too good an idea, for health reasons.

I hope Sriram decides to give a rational answer instead of the usual unexplained conjecture.

Regards ippy

Walter · « **Reply #55 on:** May 30, 2019, 05:53:23 PM »

Quote from: ippy on May 30, 2019, 05:45:08 PM

Walter like you I'd like Sriram to give a rational, perhaps with a little logic thrown in, explanation about how and why he seems to think some of his thoughts are not indistinguishable from woo, I very much doubt holding my breath waiting for him to answer would be too good an idea, for health reasons.

I hope Sriram decides to give a rational answer instead of the usual unexplained conjecture.

Regards ippy

I think I made a reasonable request , cant understand why it's so difficult, if he has genuinely experienced things 'beyond science' then he should be able to tell us all about it here , then we can discuss and perhaps understand it.

jeremyp · « **Reply #56 on:** May 30, 2019, 08:18:02 PM »

Quote from: Walter on May 30, 2019, 05:53:23 PM

I think I made a reasonable request , cant understand why it's so difficult, if he has genuinely experienced things 'beyond science' then he should be able to tell us all about it here , then we can discuss and perhaps understand it.

I understand why it’s so difficult. It’s because his beyond science experiences have no objective evidence so he can’t persuade the skeptics that they are real. Whatever example he would put before you, you would say “how can I be sure that example is objectively real” and he would have no answer.

Sriram thinks the world would be a dull place if what we can observe is all there is and he can’t bear that thought for some reason.

Walter · « **Reply #57 on:** May 30, 2019, 10:08:11 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on May 30, 2019, 08:18:02 PM

I understand why it’s so difficult. It’s because his beyond science experiences have no objective evidence so he can’t persuade the skeptics that they are real. Whatever example he would put before you, you would say “how can I be sure that example is objectively real” and he would have no answer.

Sriram thinks the world would be a dull place if what we can observe is all there is and he can’t bear that thought for some reason.

for all we know Srirams life may be wonderful all the time , reality doesn't come into it . Maybe that's what he's trying to say .

Sriram · « **Reply #58 on:** May 31, 2019, 05:35:10 AM »

Ok. I know you guys are 'waiting patiently' for me to provide you with some objective evidence so that you can give your nod of approval. The problem is that cannot be given. The evidence is everywhere including you yourselves. You just can't see it.

I have given some examples of gravity and 'blind men not seeing light' to make you understand that the evidence could be all around us but we may still not see it because either we lack the required perception or the faculty.

Nothing more I can do.

Have a good day guys!

SusanDoris · « **Reply #59 on:** May 31, 2019, 06:17:11 AM »

Quote from: Sriram on May 31, 2019, 05:35:10 AM

Ok. I know you guys are 'waiting patiently' for me to provide you with some objective evidence so that you can give your nod of approval. The problem is that cannot be given. The evidence is everywhere including you yourselves. You just can't see it.

I have given some examples of gravity and 'blind men not seeing light' to make you understand that the evidence could be all around us but we may still not see it because either we lack the required perception or the faculty.

Nothing more I can do.

Have a good day guys!

You could try facing up to reality and the real world, which is in fact far more exciting and fascinating than any imagined fantasy one, and it helps one appreciate the unlimited, evolved, abilities of the human brain.

Roses · « **Reply #60 on:** May 31, 2019, 09:12:01 AM »

Quote from: Sriram on May 31, 2019, 05:35:10 AM

Ok. I know you guys are 'waiting patiently' for me to provide you with some objective evidence so that you can give your nod of approval. The problem is that cannot be given. The evidence is everywhere including you yourselves. You just can't see it.

I have given some examples of gravity and 'blind men not seeing light' to make you understand that the evidence could be all around us but we may still not see it because either we lack the required perception or the faculty.

Nothing more I can do.

Have a good day guys!

What a silly post!

Maeght · « **Reply #61 on:** May 31, 2019, 09:46:09 AM »

Quote from: Sriram on May 31, 2019, 05:35:10 AM

Ok. I know you guys are 'waiting patiently' for me to provide you with some objective evidence so that you can give your nod of approval. The problem is that cannot be given. The evidence is everywhere including you yourselves. You just can't see it.

I have given some examples of gravity and 'blind men not seeing light' to make you understand that the evidence could be all around us but we may still not see it because either we lack the required perception or the faculty.

Nothing more I can do.

Have a good day guys!

Pleased to see you say could. Is that a first?

You obviously believe there is evidence all around. Others don't. It means you see things differently. It could be you are right, it could be you are wrong.

Maeght · « **Reply #62 on:** May 31, 2019, 09:52:43 AM »

Quote from: Littleroses on May 31, 2019, 09:12:01 AM

What a silly post!

Like to explain why?

Walter · « **Reply #63 on:** May 31, 2019, 11:30:22 AM »

Quote from: Littleroses on May 31, 2019, 09:12:01 AM

What a silly post!

another unqualified pronouncement from Lr

jeremyp · « **Reply #64 on:** June 01, 2019, 10:36:00 AM »

Quote from: Sriram on May 31, 2019, 05:35:10 AM

Ok. I know you guys are 'waiting patiently' for me to provide you with some objective evidence so that you can give your nod of approval. The problem is that cannot be given.

That's the same as saying that your experiences have no objective reality outside your head.

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The evidence is everywhere including you yourselves. You just can't see it.

You just said it doesn't exist. Make up your mind.

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I have given some examples of gravity and 'blind men not seeing light' to make you understand that the evidence could be all around us but we may still not see it because either we lack the required perception or the faculty.

They weren't examples, they were analogies. They were pretty poor analogies at that, as was demonstrated in the posts following up on them.

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Nothing more I can do.

It's so unfair when people won't accept your fairy tales, isn't it. Boo hoo.

ippy · « **Reply #65 on:** June 01, 2019, 05:59:13 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on June 01, 2019, 10:36:00 AM

That's the same as saying that your experiences have no objective reality outside your head.
You just said it doesn't exist. Make up your mind.
They weren't examples, they were analogies. They were pretty poor analogies at that, as was demonstrated in the posts following up on them.

It's so unfair when people won't accept your fairy tales, isn't it. Boo hoo.

I really dislike to see the way in so many instances where your type of post is in some way pointed out to be inferior because you differ with Sriram's wonderfully enlightened way of seeing all sorts of things, even things that no one can possibly see, you need to be on a considerably higher plane jp, if you expect to see the things that Sriram, seems to think he sees.

Almost any quote of Douglas Adams very ably, sums up the lack of thought processes of those that adhere to their beliefs in horoscopes, leprechauns, unicorns, blue elephant headed human like people or imagine whatever you like and then believe in it type people.

Regards jp, ippy

jeremyp · « **Reply #66 on:** June 01, 2019, 08:22:21 PM »

Quote from: ippy on June 01, 2019, 05:59:13 PM

I really dislike to see the way in so many instances where your type of post is in some way pointed out to be inferior because you differ with Sriram's wonderfully enlightened way of seeing all sorts of things, even things that no one can possibly see, you need to be on a considerably higher plane jp, if you expect to see the things that Sriram, seems to think he sees.

Almost any quote of Douglas Adams very ably, sums up the lack of thought processes of those that adhere to their beliefs in horoscopes, leprechauns, unicorns, blue elephant headed human like people or imagine whatever you like and then believe in it type people.

Regards jp, ippy

Frankly, I find it insulting when Sriram says that I am in some way damaged because I don't agree with him.

Sriram · « **Reply #67 on:** June 02, 2019, 05:46:12 AM »

Quote from: jeremyp on June 01, 2019, 08:22:21 PM

Frankly, I find it insulting when Sriram says that I am in some way damaged because I don't agree with him.

Well...I am not saying it. The article I have linked in the 'Religion Instinct?' thread says so. It clearly says that our spiritual experiences depend on brain wiring. Ask Andrew Newberg why he says what he says.

torridon · « **Reply #68 on:** June 02, 2019, 07:35:06 AM »

Quote from: Sriram on June 02, 2019, 05:46:12 AM

Well...I am not saying it. The article I have linked in the 'Religion Instinct?' thread says so. It clearly says that our spiritual experiences depend on brain wiring. Ask Andrew Newberg why he says what he says.

I don't think the article claimed that people lacking spiritual experience are damaged in some way. It was about neural plasticity, which is neither controversial nor anything new.

Sriram · « **Reply #69 on:** June 02, 2019, 07:44:51 AM »

Quote from: torridon on June 02, 2019, 07:35:06 AM

I don't think the article claimed that people lacking spiritual experience are damaged in some way. It was about neural plasticity, which is neither controversial nor anything new.

Yes..I agree. It is not about damage. But it is about certain capabilities or faculties that some people have and some don't.