MP Mark Field accused of assaulting Greenpeace activist

[Walter]

I have described what is in the video (2-3s on BBC and 7-8s on Guardian) completely accurately.

Would you like to do the same - where is Field's left hand - on which part of the protester's body is in, using the evidence both of his moving arm/arm and the protester's response.
And what 'tribe' would that be exactly?
Really - from the off you have denied to accept what is clear in the video and then made bizarre comments that were this to have happened to your daughter that she'd get the blame

prof

If it is so difficult for us to agree on what we are seeing , which is what this whole thread is based on , then everything else is irrelevant

[ProfessorDavey]

I think you are seeing things which are not there Prof.

When his left hand appears from behind her he is holding her hand. At no point can I see him with his hand on her throat having watched it frame by frame several times.

No - the only time it is clear he is holding her hand is later - once she has grappled him off her. And if he was holding her hand, what on earth would he be holding is a throat level!?!

This version on 0.25 speed show everything pretty clearly - around 32s in - you can clearly see the cuff of his shirt right next to her throat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ge5yy-7AUo

[ProfessorDavey]

prof

If it is so difficult for us to agree on what we are seeing , which is what this whole thread is based on , then everything else is irrelevant

As I have said previously is doesn't matter whether nor not he grabbed her throat (I'm clear he did as the video evidence shows) - even if he hadn't his actions were unnecessary and unjustified.

[Walter]

As I have said previously is doesn't matter whether nor not he grabbed her throat (I'm clear he did as the video evidence shows) - even if he hadn't his actions were unnecessary and unjustified.

Prof
The video evidence does not show that and while you keep insisting it does then I no longer wish to carry this on

[ProfessorDavey]

Prof
The video evidence does not show that and while you keep insisting it does then I no longer wish to carry this on

Use your eyes my friend.

But whether or not it does makes no difference to my view on the matter - his actions were unjustified and unnecessary (regardless of whether he grabs her throat or not) to my mind he was angry, out of control, and very likely drunk.

Why does this issue bother you so much - does it make a difference to your view, in other words - grabs her throat = wrong; doesn't grab her throat = OK

Is that what all this is about from your perspective?

[Walter]

Use your eyes my friend.

But whether or not it does makes no difference to my view on the matter - his actions were unjustified and unnecessary (regardless of whether he grabs her throat or not) to my mind he was angry, out of control, and very likely drunk.

Why does this issue bother you so much - does it make a difference to your view, in other words - grabs her throat = wrong; doesn't grab her throat = OK

Is that what all this is about from your perspective?

prof

See above !

[ProfessorDavey]

prof

See above !

Perhaps you'd like to answer my question as to why this matters to you.

Does it make a difference to your view, in other words - grabs her throat = wrong; doesn't grab her throat = OK

[Maeght]

No - the only time it is clear he is holding her hand is later - once she has grappled him off her. And if he was holding her hand, what on earth would he be holding is a throat level!?!

This version on 0.25 speed show everything pretty clearly - around 32s in - you can clearly see the cuff of his shirt right next to her throat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ge5yy-7AUo

Yes his cuff is beside her neck but you do not see his hand on her throat. A little after as she moves her head his hand grabs hers, which us up near her shoulder. As I see it he was trying to grab her hand which was raised, not her throat.

You said before that it was clear he grabbed her throat, now you say his cuff was at throat level so he must have grabbed her throat. Is it clear to see or not?

[ProfessorDavey]

Yes his cuff is beside her neck but you do not see his hand on her throat. A little after as she moves her head his hand grabs hers, which us up near her shoulder. As I see it he was trying to grab her hand which was raised, not her throat.

You said before that it was clear he grabbed her throat, now you say his cuff was at throat level so he must have grabbed her throat. Is it clear to see or not?

If you look carefully you can see the ends of the fingers of his hand round the back of her neck as she turns. He isn't grabbing her by the shoulder or by the hand.

[Maeght]

If you look carefully you can see the ends of the fingers of his hand round the back of her neck as she turns. He isn't grabbing her by the shoulder or by the hand.

So not on her throat then?

He was grappling with her and in my view trying to grab her hand or shoulder. Nowhere does he grab her by the throat as far as I can see, and I have watched it many times.

[ProfessorDavey]

So not on her throat then?

He was grappling with her and in my view trying to grab her hand or shoulder. Nowhere does he grab her by the throat as far as I can see, and I have watched it many times.

Where is the rest of his hand - the only way your fingers could be in that position and your arm where it is is if the rest of you hand is wrapped around her throat. Think about it.

And her response is completely consistent with what someone would do if they were grabbed by the neck and throat.

[Maeght]

Where is the rest of his hand - the only way your fingers could be in that position and your arm where it is is if the rest of you hand is wrapped around her throat. Think about it.

I have. It is not clear as you suggested and if they were grappling his hand could have been in various positions other than her throat.

He was wrong and over aggressive but the video doesn't show him grabbing herv throat or ramming her into the pillar in my view.

[ProfessorDavey]

I have. It is not clear as you suggested and if they were grappling his hand could have been in various positions other than her throat.

Such as? With his arm in the position it is.

[Maeght]

Such as? With his arm in the position it is.

Shoulder, hand, in the air. It could be on her neck with some contact with the throat but I don't see that and would certainly say that to claim he did, and that it is clear he did, is mistaken.

[ProfessorDavey]

He was wrong and over aggressive ...

We agree on that regardless of our interpretations of the video.

[Maeght]

We agree on that regardless of our interpretations of the video.

Indeed we do.

[Nearly Sane]

And his charm, it overfloweth

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/02/mark-field-calls-homeless-charity-a-magnet-for-undesirable