Author Topic: Hong Kong protests (Read 4457 times)

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #25 on:** November 25, 2019, 08:52:52 AM »

Quote from: Littleroses on November 25, 2019, 08:37:15 AM

I hope so, but I doubt it.

I'm a bit more optimistic. The change gives the democracy protestors a win, and also an out for the Chinese authorities. There's a bit of breathing space created for both sides, and that was definitely needed. Lam's statement is pretty good. That doesn't rule out that everything being back where it was in a few months but it could well break the cycle they were in.

ekim · « **Reply #26 on:** November 25, 2019, 09:01:58 AM »

I expect if there is no improvement the next stage will be the creation of an anti democracy 'training centre'.... https://tinyurl.com/tb3ymc8

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #27 on:** November 25, 2019, 09:50:31 AM »

Quote from: ekim on November 25, 2019, 09:01:58 AM

I expect if there is no improvement the next stage will be the creation of an anti democracy 'training centre'.... https://tinyurl.com/tb3ymc8

I would doubt that - note I'm not ruling out a crack down on those leading the democracy protests at some stage but HK is a very different situation for China as opposed to the Uighurs.

ippy · « **Reply #28 on:** November 25, 2019, 01:07:14 PM »

I'm certain the Chinese government will be reviewing how they're going continue turning the screw probably with a bit more subtly in the future and doubtless will still carry on with the process.

ippy

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #29 on:** November 28, 2019, 12:15:42 PM »

Not sure how this law will play out. It places the HK situation firmly in the midst of the trade talks between U.S. and China.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-50584928

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #30 on:** May 29, 2020, 07:41:15 PM »

So after Covid 19 - here we are back

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-52852661

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #31 on:** June 03, 2020, 11:02:10 AM »

And further good news on the passport front

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52900700

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #32 on:** June 30, 2020, 01:42:25 PM »

But this looks very bad

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53234255

Outrider · « **Reply #33 on:** June 30, 2020, 01:51:35 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 30, 2020, 01:42:25 PM

But this looks very bad

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53234255

Technically, with the content of the legislation not published yet and formal unveiling tomorrow we might all be jumping the gun a little bit... but I fear that it's not going to be encouraging at all.

O.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #34 on:** July 01, 2020, 02:41:00 PM »

Quote from: Outrider on June 30, 2020, 01:51:35 PM

Technically, with the content of the legislation not published yet and formal unveiling tomorrow we might all be jumping the gun a little bit... but I fear that it's not going to be encouraging at all.

O.

Already having an effect, but good for UK govt.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53246899

Roses · « **Reply #35 on:** July 01, 2020, 03:42:35 PM »

I have no problem with them coming to the UK as long as they are expected to self-isolate for at least two weeks, and tested to see if they have the virus.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #36 on:** July 01, 2020, 04:52:32 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on July 01, 2020, 03:42:35 PM

I have no problem with them coming to the UK as long as they are expected to self-isolate for at least two weeks, and tested to see if they have the virus.

They are not all just about to get on a plane. We are not getting 3 million people next week. This is currently a symbolic gesture but a rather excellent one by the govt.

Outrider · « **Reply #37 on:** July 01, 2020, 04:57:05 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on July 01, 2020, 04:52:32 PM

They are not all just about to get on a plane. We are not getting 3 million people next week. This is currently a symbolic gesture but a rather excellent one by the govt.

It'll be interesting to see how the pro-Democracy protesters apply for their UK passports from the prisons the Chinese authorities have waiting for them...

O.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #38 on:** July 01, 2020, 05:04:32 PM »

Quote from: Outrider on July 01, 2020, 04:57:05 PM

It'll be interesting to see how the pro-Democracy protesters apply for their UK passports from the prisons the Chinese authorities have waiting for them...

O.

Well I hope there will be some people already applying who aren't in jail, but yes, the arrests today are quite scary.

And I will give a big fuck off to many international companies currently indulging in a whole we really think Black Lives Matter announcement who are kowtowing to the Chinese govt here, and yes HSBC, particularly looking at you.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #39 on:** September 07, 2020, 02:56:12 PM »

Too easy to forget

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54048907

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #40 on:** November 14, 2020, 09:06:11 PM »

And still need to watch what is going on

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8940251/Hong-Kongs-pro-democracy-politicians-resign-en-masse-four-removed-new-Chinese-laws.html

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #41 on:** January 07, 2021, 07:56:37 AM »

Way too easy in the midst of the trashing of democracy in the US to miss the crack down in Hong Kong.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55569719

Owlswing · « **Reply #42 on:** January 07, 2021, 08:49:52 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 07, 2021, 07:56:37 AM

Way too easy in the midst of the trashing of democracy in the US to miss the crackdown in Hong Kong.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55569719

Do you not think that the timing of the HK clamp-down was based upon the trashing of the Senate and the associated unrest in the U S?

Owlswing

)O(

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #43 on:** January 07, 2021, 09:04:08 AM »

Quote from: Owlswing on January 07, 2021, 08:49:52 AM

Do you not think that the timing of the HK clamp-down was based upon the trashing of the Senate and the associated unrest in the U S?

Owlswing

)O(

Since it happened before the trashing of the Senate, no.

Owlswing · « **Reply #44 on:** January 07, 2021, 09:06:49 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 07, 2021, 09:04:08 AM

Since it happened before the trashing of the Senate, no.

And the political unrest since the election?

Owlswing

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Nearly Sane · « **Reply #45 on:** January 07, 2021, 09:11:35 AM »

Quote from: Owlswing on January 07, 2021, 09:06:49 AM

And the political unrest since the election?

Owlswing

)O(

China have been clamping down in Hong Kong way before the election. See the earlier parts of this thread.

Owlswing · « **Reply #46 on:** January 07, 2021, 11:09:55 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 07, 2021, 09:11:35 AM

China has been clamping down in Hong Kong way before the election. See the earlier parts of this thread.

I was thinking more of the timing of this, huge, round up rather than the overall Hong Kong situation.

Owlswing

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Nearly Sane · « **Reply #47 on:** January 07, 2021, 11:46:02 AM »

Quote from: Owlswing on January 07, 2021, 11:09:55 AM

I was thinking more of the timing of this, huge, round up rather than the overall Hong Kong situation.

Owlswing

)O(

I don't think China care that much about burying bad news.

Owlswing · « **Reply #48 on:** January 07, 2021, 02:03:02 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 07, 2021, 11:46:02 AM

I don't think China care that much about burying bad news.

Sadly, I think you are right! The Chinese Govt attitude seems to be "You don't like what we are doing? WTF are you going to do about it?

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #49 on:** January 07, 2021, 02:13:24 PM »

Quote from: Owlswing on January 07, 2021, 02:03:02 PM

Sadly, I think you are right! The Chinese Govt attitude seems to be "You don't like what we are doing? WTF are you going to do about it?

One of the biggest challenges for Biden is China.

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Author Topic: Hong Kong protests (Read 4457 times)