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A must see!
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I have no objection to "colour blind casting" and i am sure that this will be extolled as a great act of inclusiveness (or some such).

But doesn't this expose one of the great hypocrisies of diversity? It is all right for someone from a minority group to take the part of someone in the majority group but casting the other way round  brings forth a storm of outrage. A few days ago I read of anger from some disabled group or other about a part involving some kind of disability was being played by an able-bodied actor.

Surely, the whole point of acting is pretending you are somebody who you are not behaving in a manner which is not how you would normally behave.
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I have no objection to "colour blind casting" and i am sure that this will be extolled as a great act of inclusiveness (or some such).

But doesn't this expose one of the great hypocrisies of diversity? It is all right for someone from a minority group to take the part of someone in the majority group but casting the other way round  brings forth a storm of outrage. A few days ago I read of anger from some disabled group or other about a part involving some kind of disability was being played by an able-bodied actor.

Surely, the whole point of acting is pretending you are somebody who you are not behaving in a manner which is not how you would normally behave.
It's about speaking to power. If there are very few roles that are specifically for a minority, and there is a general bias to a majority in casting than in roles, then the pool of roles is smaller for the minority than they might merit.

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I have no objection to "colour blind casting" and i am sure that this will be extolled as a great act of inclusiveness (or some such).

But doesn't this expose one of the great hypocrisies of diversity? It is all right for someone from a minority group to take the part of someone in the majority group but casting the other way round  brings forth a storm of outrage. A few days ago I read of anger from some disabled group or other about a part involving some kind of disability was being played by an able-bodied actor.

Surely, the whole point of acting is pretending you are somebody who you are not behaving in a manner which is not how you would normally behave.

It’s not quite the same though is it. Disabled actors are, by definition, disqualified from playing roles that require them to be fully enabled. To take an example, a one legged man is unlikely to be successful in auditioning for the part of Tarzan. Whereas a two legged man can quite easily play the role of a one legged man auditioning for the part of Tarzan cf Dudley Moore. Given that there aren’t many roles available to disabled actors, it must be pretty galling for them to see these roles filled by able bodied actors who could also easily be playing able bodied roles.

David Copperfield is only a white Englishman by virtue of the fact that everybody in Dickens’ books was white and probably English. Can somebody who is not white make a fist of it?  Well, we are about to find out. Given the quality of the actor and of the production team, I wouldn’t bet against it.
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Looking forward to this. I suspect we will see some stushie about the casting.


https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jul/16/armando-iannuccis-david-copperfield-film-to-open-london-film-festival

I know I'll just hate it. Didn't have to go any further in the linked article when I read the words "adaptation" and "fresh take". If it doesn't follow the book then I get vexed by the whole thing. It's why I can't stand the LOTR films.
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When Kevin Costner played the part of Robin Hood, I couldn't get my head around Robin H with an American accent and still can't.

It wouldn't have been quite so bad for me if he had at least tried to sound English.

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It's about speaking to power. If there are very few roles that are specifically for a minority, and there is a general bias to a majority in casting than in roles, then the pool of roles is smaller for the minority than they might merit.

Last year, there was a concert performance of West Side Story at the Proms. The singer originally scheduled to play Maria was the exceptional Sierra Boggess. There was a slight mumuring  in the "social media" that this was was denying a "Hispanic" singer the opportunity of playing a Hispanic role. Sierra Boggess stood down and the role was recast.

Two thoughts occurred to me. (1) The audience was denied the opportunity of hearing an outstanding performer because of something approaching political correctness. (2) "Hispanic" presumably simply means "Spanish" - it is a cultural not an ethnic description. I'll concede that Sierra Boggess has auburn hair and most Spanish women have black hair.
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Last year, there was a concert performance of West Side Story at the Proms. The singer originally scheduled to play Maria was the exceptional Sierra Boggess. There was a slight mumuring  in the "social media" that this was was denying a "Hispanic" singer the opportunity of playing a Hispanic role. Sierra Boggess stood down and the role was recast.

Two thoughts occurred to me. (1) The audience was denied the opportunity of hearing an outstanding performer because of something approaching political correctness. (2) "Hispanic" presumably simply means "Spanish" - it is a cultural not an ethnic description. I'll concede that Sierra Boggess has auburn hair and most Spanish women have black hair.
Which as a specific incident doesn't really deal with the bias in casting generally given the lack of roles for minorities. I think I am correct that you have pointed out previously that blind auditioning for orchestras lead to many more women being hired. It doesn't seem to me to be an issue that Othello might be played by a black person?

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I have no objection to "colour blind casting" and i am sure that this will be extolled as a great act of inclusiveness (or some such).

But doesn't this expose one of the great hypocrisies of diversity? It is all right for someone from a minority group to take the part of someone in the majority group but casting the other way round  brings forth a storm of outrage. A few days ago I read of anger from some disabled group or other about a part involving some kind of disability was being played by an able-bodied actor.

Surely, the whole point of acting is pretending you are somebody who you are not behaving in a manner which is not how you would normally behave.
No, it doesn't, because they aren't symmetrical situations. As far as disability is concerned, an able-bodied person can easily play a disabled one, but it's much harder, if not impossible, for a disabled actor to play an able-bodied one; therefore, disabled characters should, whenever possible, be played by disabled actors. For ethic minorty actors, there are not many parts in the classics which are specifically for them (Othello, and that's about it), so those parts should as far as possible be played by someone of the appropriate ethnicity (spare us anything like Olivier blacking up to play Othello, please!), and ethic-minority actors should be able to hava a crack at other parts, too, such as a black Hamlet or Dr Faustus. Interestingly, in the early 60s in America, there was an all-black production of 'Othello'. It was transposed to a contemporary American campus: Othello was a black African; all the other characters were lighter-skinned, mixed-race Americans.

Just googled: apparently, it was done again, last year. There have also been race-reversed Othellos. https://www.whatsonstage.com/london-theatre/news/unicorn-othello-photos-first-look_45742.html
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My feeling, generally, is that the best actor available should play a particular part - this may be a member of a particular ethnic group or not. A couple of examples -  perhaps 25 years ago the National Theatre did a production of Carousel in which the New England fishing-boat owner, Enoch Snow, was played by Clive Rowe, a black actor - to great acclaim, he was nominated for an Olivier Award and we have all enjoyed Burt Kwouk in Last of the Summer Wine playing Entwistle.

What I object to is an inferior actor being used to provide some variety of face validity.
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...we have all enjoyed Burt Kwouk in Last of the Summer Wine playing Entwistle.

I haven't: LOTSW is the biggest humour-free zone in TVland. More to the point, I think casting Bert Kwouk was anything but colour-blind casting: it was patronising, mildly racist "humour" based on the idea of a man of Chinese appearance having a Yorkshire name and accent.
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On a similar theme - one thing that pisses me off is when non-Scots attempt a Scots accent (of which there are several) and end up all Brig-a-Doonish.

Mind you, I suppose possessors of other accents find attempts that mangle theirs equally annoying.   

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On a similar theme - one thing that pisses me off is when non-Scots attempt a Scots accent (of which there are several) and end up all Brig-a-Doonish.

Mind you, I suppose possessors of other accents find attempts that mangle theirs equally annoying.
the Scots accent doesn't exist. What we actually hear is English with  a speech impediment

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On a similar theme - one thing that pisses me off is when non-Scots attempt a Scots accent (of which there are several) and end up all Brig-a-Doonish.

Mind you, I suppose possessors of other accents find attempts that mangle theirs equally annoying.

Yes I think you're entirely right BBC's East Enders is nothing like the way genuine East Enders speak or behave the East enders quick sharp Banter that's there all of the time is never portrayed in the BBC's version.

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Re: The Personal History of David Copperfield to open London Film Festival
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2019, 11:38:56 AM »
Review of this in todays Guardian:

https://tinyurl.com/copperreview
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