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The prince and the paedophile
« on: August 25, 2019, 06:52:00 PM »
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2019, 07:39:49 PM »
She is: and as this story continues to unravel, and if it turns out this established pompous prick is also shown (via appropriate investigation) to be an abuser, I for one intend to enjoy the schadenfreude.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2019, 07:42:46 PM »
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2019, 09:28:44 PM »
  Liar we did not elect defends toff no-one elected but who gained title through mummy and daddy having sex in the right bed.
britain, eh?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-defends-prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-comments-a9078171.html
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2019, 09:35:48 PM »
I know that this may be interpreted as nitpicking, NS, but is there evidence that Epstein was interested in prepubescent girls?

Just about all the reports that I have read suggest that Epstein was a hebephile.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2019, 09:40:08 PM »
Quote from: Harrowby Hall on August 25, 2019, 09:35:48 PM
I know that this may be interpreted as nitpicking, NS, but is there evidence that Epstein was interested in prepubescent girls?

Just about all the reports that I have read suggest that Epstein was a hebephile.

Poetic licence for the echoing of The Prince and The Pauper.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2019, 11:11:31 AM »
Quote from: Harrowby Hall on August 25, 2019, 09:35:48 PM
I know that this may be interpreted as nitpicking, NS, but is there evidence that Epstein was interested in prepubescent girls?

Just about all the reports that I have read suggest that Epstein was a hebephile.
Show-off. I think "paedophile" is also a generic term, covering hebephilia.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2019, 01:33:19 PM »
Talking of toes, Prince Andrew's deception make mine curl.

How is it royalty can literally get away with 'anything'? Any other celeb would have been torn to pieces by now by the media.

So you have no explanation for being photographed with a 17yr old (considered under age in the alleged state) and with Epstein's madam looking on in the background, Andrew?

Well, the 'Palace' has issued a statement in Andrew's defence of any acknowledgement of Epstein's wrongdoing so we plebs (that are of course stupid) believe the liars. Shame on them, yes, an insult to our intelligence.                                       
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2019, 02:11:20 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on August 27, 2019, 11:11:31 AM
Show-off. I think "paedophile" is also a generic term, covering hebephilia.

It is used that way but that is incorrect and best avoided.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2019, 03:06:10 PM »
I may be over thinking this, but the Prince Andrew statements of denial so far haven't actually denied wrongdoing. They say he thinks Epstein's behaviour to be "abhorrent", but that's not the same thing as "and I didn't do those abhorrent things". Another says, " I would not do those things....", and again that present/future tense "would not" isn't the same as "did not" or "would not have". Might be nothing, but it feels like Clintonesque denials that still in fact leave the door open to not actually having lied if in due course he's found to have been involved.

Curious.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2019, 06:20:33 PM »
It's a pathetically stupid statement as Marina Hyde's article covers. And yet nothing happens.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2019, 07:17:49 PM »
Quote from: Maeght on August 27, 2019, 02:11:20 PM
It is used that way but that is incorrect and best avoided.

Just call hin a nonce.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2019, 02:10:02 PM »
This morning BBC Breakfast's headline news was about another American woman declaring Prince Andrew's inappropriate behaviour. By lunchtime, due to activity in Westminster (or for other reasons) there was no mention of the news item.

A BBC documentary named 'Untouchable' on the Harvey Weinstein story is being aired sometime over the weekend. Perhaps the producer should make a follow-up: Untouchable 2 - the prince and the paedophile.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2019, 02:22:06 PM »
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2019, 02:32:49 PM »
Oh, good. Interesting to see if it goes anywhere and even if it does the prince only has to keep denying the allegations.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2019, 05:36:54 PM »
I don't think it's good - it's horrible. The entire thing gives me the creeps.
Good to see you though SweetPea :-).
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2019, 06:00:13 PM »
Presume Sweetpea means it is good that any possible abuse is not just ignored.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2019, 07:08:35 PM »
Oh yes I think so too.
I don't know why I'm so sensitive about this, it hardly affects me directly but I admit to being freaked out by it all.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2019, 07:13:10 PM »
Quote from: Robbie on August 28, 2019, 07:08:35 PM
Oh yes I think so too.
I don't know why I'm so sensitive about this, it hardly affects me directly but I admit to being freaked out by it all.
It is worrying because it seems to be normalized.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2019, 07:51:37 PM »
Yes, that's what is so depressing. Such things have always gone on, every now and then there's a scandal involving prominent people & we hear about it. It's still going on when we hear nothing.

I read up about it, including the Marina Hyde article, a few nights ago following a conversation with my sister. It's been buzzing around at the backof my mind ever since & I wish it would go but that's my problem.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2019, 02:24:25 PM »
Quote from: SweetPea on August 27, 2019, 01:33:19 PM
Talking of toes, Prince Andrew's deception make mine curl.

How is it royalty can literally get away with 'anything'? Any other celeb would have been torn to pieces by now by the media.

So you have no explanation for being photographed with a 17yr old (considered under age in the alleged state) and with Epstein's madam looking on in the background, Andrew?

Well, the 'Palace' has issued a statement in Andrew's defence of any acknowledgement of Epstein's wrongdoing so we plebs (that are of course stupid) believe the liars. Shame on them, yes, an insult to our intelligence.                                     

I don't think Prince Andrew is getting away with anything. People are still talking about him and implicitly assuming he has committed sexual offences even though the evidence is little more than innuendo at this point.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2019, 03:28:17 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on August 29, 2019, 02:24:25 PM
I don't think Prince Andrew is getting away with anything. People are still talking about him and implicitly assuming he has committed sexual offences even though the evidence is little more than innuendo at this point.

I don't know of anyone having accused him directly, as you say, but there are a number of people asserting that he was aware of Epstein's activities and continued to interact with him; indeed, the man was convicted of soliciting an underage prostitute as part of a plea deal to avoid a number of unspecified charges, and Andrew still associated with him freely afterwards.

It may well be that no actual legal crime was committed, but I'm minded to cite the adage 'All that is required for evil to flourish, is for good men to stand by and do nothing'.  Did he stand by, for it seems beyond doubt now that evil was flourishing.

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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2019, 04:19:22 PM »
While it isn't clear exactly what the allegation is here, it seems direct.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49486590
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2019, 09:43:16 PM »
And one of those times when a bad offense is an awful defense


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-50446392/prince-andrew-on-epstein-there-was-no-indication
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2019, 08:32:18 AM »
Andrew has brought the monarchy into disrepute and should step down from public life, imo. >:(
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