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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #100 on: July 09, 2020, 08:55:33 PM »

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No the presidency (like Germany but unlike France or the USA) would be a figurehead presidency - a reward for someone like David Attenborough.


Now he would be a great choice - shame that at his age it might not come soon enough.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #101 on: January 01, 2022, 11:57:50 AM »

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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #102 on: January 12, 2022, 06:31:19 PM »
And civil case to go ahead


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59871514

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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #103 on: January 13, 2022, 05:35:23 PM »
Recent reports say this creep has been stripped of his titles - good: now we just need to be rid of the rest of them.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/13/veterans-ask-queen-to-strip-prince-andrew-of-honorary-military-titles

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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #104 on: January 13, 2022, 05:37:06 PM »
And military titles and patronages going for Andrew during his defence.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59987935

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« Reply #105 on: January 13, 2022, 06:49:05 PM »
Aw; never mind; he's still mummy's favourite boy, even if he isn't mummy'd little soldier any more.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #106 on: January 13, 2022, 11:26:04 PM »
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #107 on: January 14, 2022, 01:31:28 PM »
BREAKING: Prince Andrew to change his name to The Andrew Formerly Known As Prince

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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #108 on: January 14, 2022, 02:13:43 PM »
Looks like the natives of York aren't keen on him being their Duke.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/14/calls-strip-prince-andrew-duke-of-york-title

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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #109 on: February 15, 2022, 04:27:41 PM »
Civil case settled. Ooh - er


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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #110 on: February 15, 2022, 05:26:33 PM »
I see the sycophants are already going down the 'at least this way it won't tarnish he Queen's jubilee' route: talk about tone deaf!

As regards the jubilee nonsense I would just like to add that I don't give a flying fuck about it - and I suspect I am not alone.

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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #111 on: February 15, 2022, 06:07:03 PM »
Seen elsewhere


'Never met her. Don’t remember the photograph. I was in pizza express in woking. Can’t sweat. I demand a trial by jury. Ok here’s a big pile of money.'

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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #112 on: February 15, 2022, 07:07:03 PM »
Seen elsewhere


'Never met her. Don’t remember the photograph. I was in pizza express in woking. Can’t sweat. I demand a trial by jury. Ok here’s a big pile of money.'

Yea. It's right royal bollocks.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #113 on: February 17, 2022, 08:37:42 AM »
I am not a monarchist and I have no real interest or concern about Andrew Duke of York.

I would like assurance, though, that we haven't been gaslighted by Virginia Giuffre in this affair.
She has already had a financial settlement in relation to Jeffrey Epstein but now she seems to have convinced just one of the men with whom she may have been forced to have sexual relations to pay her an eye-watering sum of money to ensure her silence. She seems to be onto a winner: all she has to do is to identify a prominent man and then collect megabucks. How does this differ from blackmail?
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #114 on: February 17, 2022, 10:47:41 AM »
How does this differ from blackmail?

Blackmail is where you offer to keep an inconvenient fact secret in exchange for money. Guiffre is definitely not keeping secrets.

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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #115 on: February 17, 2022, 11:40:57 AM »
I am not a monarchist and I have no real interest or concern about Andrew Duke of York.

I would like assurance, though, that we haven't been gaslighted by Virginia Giuffre in this affair.
She has already had a financial settlement in relation to Jeffrey Epstein but now she seems to have convinced just one of the men with whom she may have been forced to have sexual relations to pay her an eye-watering sum of money to ensure her silence. She seems to be onto a winner: all she has to do is to identify a prominent man and then collect megabucks. How does this differ from blackmail?
Are you for real HH.

You are somehow implying that an extremely young woman (actually a child) who was treated appallingly and likely illegally by incredibly rich, powerful, connected and influential people is somehow able to 'get one over' those people with all their access to top lawyers, the ability to influence top people etc.

The reality here is that Epstein and the Duke crumbled and settled as they were not convinced they would win in a court of law. Had they been convinced of their case why on earth would they settle out of court. And before you say the same about Giuffre - there is a huge difference between the ability of someone with almost endless amounts of money to continue funding a legal case and someone without access to those means. That's why it is usually the very rich and very prominent who are able to cause the poor and inconsequential to 'fold' in legal proceedings as they know that whatever the rights and wrongs of the matter they are able to drag legal proceedings out to the point where the other side simply runs out of money.

If, as seems clear, she was sex trafficked as an underage girl then I cannot see how she is 'on to a winner' regardless of how much money she may receive - receiving some sort of justice isn't being 'on to a winner'.


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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #116 on: February 17, 2022, 11:42:35 AM »
Blackmail is where you offer to keep an inconvenient fact secret in exchange for money. Guiffre is definitely not keeping secrets.
Indeed.

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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #117 on: February 17, 2022, 11:52:58 AM »
I am not a monarchist and I have no real interest or concern about Andrew Duke of York.

I would like assurance, though, that we haven't been gaslighted by Virginia Giuffre in this affair.
She has already had a financial settlement in relation to Jeffrey Epstein but now she seems to have convinced just one of the men with whom she may have been forced to have sexual relations to pay her an eye-watering sum of money to ensure her silence. She seems to be onto a winner: all she has to do is to identify a prominent man and then collect megabucks. How does this differ from blackmail?

I don't think gaslighting is happening. Nor blackmail.

Is she working the system? Yes, but for what are laudable reasons.

She runs a charity that appears to be legitimate and has excellent aims and ambitions.

The system has worked well for the likes of Epstein and the Royal family for decades/centuries. I don't feel at all outraged that somebody damaged by that system has managed to game it to attempt to change things for the better.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #118 on: February 17, 2022, 12:47:18 PM »
The only relevant fact is whether or not Andrew is guilty, and since she has given no proof (as far as I know), he is still, as far as we know, innocent. Does she think that getting him to pay her will make people believe he must be guilty?

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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #119 on: February 17, 2022, 12:54:16 PM »
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The only relevant fact is whether or not Andrew is guilty,

As a question that's right up there with:

Is the Pope Catholic?

Do bears shit in the wood?

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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #120 on: February 17, 2022, 01:03:21 PM »
Spud, to put it another way:

Does Prince Andrew paying out millions to avoid going to court make you think he is innocent?
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #121 on: February 17, 2022, 01:18:32 PM »
The grand old Duke of York,
He had ten million quid.
He gave it all to an American girl
For something he never did.
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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #122 on: February 17, 2022, 01:20:49 PM »
The only relevant fact is whether or not Andrew is guilty, and since she has given no proof (as far as I know), he is still, as far as we know, innocent. Does she think that getting him to pay her will make people believe he must be guilty?

No, he thinks that it's already apparent significant numbers of people think he's guilty, and his legal team have explained to him that it's entirely foreseeable that a jury, in a trial, on the balance of the evidence likely to be presented, would find him guilty. That's quite outside of whether or not he thinks he's guilty, or whether the actual fact is that he's guilty.

He has no credibility whatsoever after his actions both in continuing his relationship with Epstein following his conviction and that catastrophic (for him, at least) shitshow of an interview he gave to the BBC. His best option is to pony up now and maintain at least some degree of plausible deniability; the alternative is to go trial, quite possibly (likely?) lose and end up paying and not having the legal recourse of continuing to proclaim his innocence.

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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #123 on: February 17, 2022, 01:27:53 PM »
Spud, to put it another way:

Does Prince Andrew paying out millions to avoid going to court make you think he is innocent?
No, but there are factors that suggest he is not paying her because of guilt.

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Re: The prince and the paedophile
« Reply #124 on: February 17, 2022, 01:28:58 PM »
The only relevant fact is whether or not Andrew is guilty, and since she has given no proof (as far as I know), he is still, as far as we know, innocent.

Yet, by settling (for, by all accounts, a sizeable chunk of dosh) he has expressly taken action to avoid a trial that would have provided him with the opportunity to present evidence to support his innocence).

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Does she think that getting him to pay her will make people believe he must be guilty?

No idea what she thinks: but she didn't 'get him to pay' - he offered her a settlement, presumably on legal advice that his arguments in support of his innocence were too weak to take the risk of letting a jury decide.