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Sriram

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« on: September 20, 2019, 02:32:50 PM »

Hi everyone,

Here is a video about God. Maybe I have posted it before....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9VOz4dV92Q

Cheers.

Sriram

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2019, 03:43:48 PM »
good comedy act but ruined it towards the end  ::)

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2019, 05:17:17 AM »


The end comment  is the essence of what God really is.....!

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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2019, 08:38:40 PM »

The end comment  is the essence of what God really is.....!

really? sounds like bollocks to me . No sophisticated argument required . end of!

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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2019, 10:41:34 PM »
Well I liked it so there.
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2019, 10:52:01 PM »
Well I liked it so there.
hi Robbie

I'm so pleased for you x

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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2019, 06:46:17 AM »
really? sounds like bollocks to me . No sophisticated argument required . end of!


I know you are used to thinking of God as a supernatural individual sitting up in the clouds....even though you might be an atheist.  The idea of our own inner Consciousness being God must be new to you (though it is thousands of years old).

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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2019, 11:50:10 AM »

I know you are used to thinking of God as a supernatural individual sitting up in the clouds....even though you might be an atheist.  The idea of our own inner Consciousness being God must be new to you (though it is thousands of years old).

So there is no God. Just inner consciousness.
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2019, 11:53:28 AM »
I think gods only exist in the mind of believers, they are not external entities.
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2019, 12:58:07 PM »

I know you are used to thinking of God as a supernatural individual sitting up in the clouds....even though you might be an atheist.  The idea of our own inner Consciousness being God must be new to you (though it is thousands of years old).
just because an idea is very old doesn't make it true or right .

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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2019, 01:01:36 PM »
just because an idea is very old doesn't make it true or right .
And is a fallacy argumentum ad antiquitatem

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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2019, 01:39:27 PM »


I never said the idea is true because it is old.  I am just surprised that you people are not familiar with the idea even though it is very old.   

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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2019, 01:50:59 PM »

I never said the idea is true because it is old.  I am just surprised that you people are not familiar with the idea even though it is very old.
Lazy generalisation.

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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2019, 02:24:47 PM »

I know you are used to thinking of God as a supernatural individual sitting up in the clouds....even though you might be an atheist.  The idea of our own inner Consciousness being God must be new to you (though it is thousands of years old).

My inner consciousness is not God. It's only existed since 1966 and the Universe is much older than that.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2019, 04:34:54 PM »

I think we have already discussed the idea of Consciousness influencing outcomes in QM, about consciousness generating the universe, a common consciousness connecting all lives, Panpsychism....and so on.

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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2019, 04:36:25 PM »

I think we have already discussed the idea of Consciousness influencing outcomes in QM, about consciousness generating the universe, a common consciousness connecting all lives....and so on.
which just goes to show your lazy generalisation was wrong

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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2019, 05:13:39 PM »



Anything to remain in your comfort zone...eh?!  :D ::)

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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2019, 06:29:55 PM »


Anything to remain in your comfort zone...eh?!  :D ::)

the irony is strong with this one !!!!

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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2019, 06:19:11 AM »
Quite the contrary Walter...!  I could remain within my comfort zone just remaining a Hindu and a Yogi and there are plenty of sites to encourage me in that.  I don't need to be on these boards at all!

My interest is in venturing out to see if there are any common areas that can help bridge the gap between what is understood through Spirituality and what Science has discovered....without dismissing either one as false!  :) 

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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2019, 10:31:09 AM »

My interest is in venturing out to see if there are any common areas that can help bridge the gap between what is understood through Spirituality and what Science has discovered....without dismissing either one as false!  :)
I doubt whether that will be possible as science tends to be a method based upon a tentative subjective interpretation of objective evidence and tends to be outward looking, whereas religion tends to be a subjective interpretation of inner experiences which are often projected outwards e.g. on to a multiplicity of gods and spirits.  The yogic kind of spirituality tends towards attempting to reveal the subject 'I' using methods to transcend all subjectivity e.g. by promoting inner stillness.  You mentioned 'consciousness' and it might have been better to have titled this thread 'Brahman' and related it to  Vedanta's association of it to the Sanskrit 'Satchitananda' (Being-consciousness-bliss) rather than the word 'God' with its western connotations.

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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2019, 01:59:03 PM »
I doubt whether that will be possible as science tends to be a method based upon a tentative subjective interpretation of objective evidence and tends to be outward looking, whereas religion tends to be a subjective interpretation of inner experiences which are often projected outwards e.g. on to a multiplicity of gods and spirits.  The yogic kind of spirituality tends towards attempting to reveal the subject 'I' using methods to transcend all subjectivity e.g. by promoting inner stillness.  You mentioned 'consciousness' and it might have been better to have titled this thread 'Brahman' and related it to  Vedanta's association of it to the Sanskrit 'Satchitananda' (Being-consciousness-bliss) rather than the word 'God' with its western connotations.

The idea that science and 'spirituality' are in some sense engaged in the same project, i.e. understanding the way things are, is presumably a fairly recent phenomenon because we haven't had scientific method for all that long whereas religion has been around for millennia. Prior to the advent of scientific enquiry religion filled the ignorance gap with beliefs, stories that helped make sense of human life, but this had little to do with the quest for knowledge as we might understand it in science.

Perhaps now that some people see science as trespassing on religion's turf in offering explanations for how things are there is a desire to re-imagine religion as a truth-seeking activity. But this tends to lead either to a dismissal of one or the other, or to some attempt to treat them both as if they are playing the same game - if on different pitches - even to the point of arguing that ancient yogic insights can fill gaps in modern scientific understandings and scientific theories can be recruited to bolster traditional religious claims. We see this with Sriram's attempts to splice modern science and traditional Hinduism together, and western approaches to Buddhism are commonly quite explicit in their (I think wholly unfounded) assertions that meditation will bring revelations into the 'nature of reality'. There is an entire genre of popular new age books devoted to examining the purported links between quantum physics and spirituality - I remember reading some of the early ones like 'The Tao of Physics' nearly 30 years ago.

I was puzzled by your claim that yogic methods sought to reveal the subject 'I' by transcending subjectivity. Wouldn't transcending subjectivity by definition remove the subject 'I' altogether? Buddhist yogas, of course, deliberately seek to expose the voidness of any foundational self. In such pursuit 'inner stillness' is generally seen as a necessary but not sufficient tool. Maybe it's different in Hinduism.



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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2019, 02:30:15 PM »
Quite the contrary Walter...!  I could remain within my comfort zone just remaining a Hindu and a Yogi and there are plenty of sites to encourage me in that.  I don't need to be on these boards at all!

My interest is in venturing out to see if there are any common areas that can help bridge the gap between what is understood through Spirituality and what Science has discovered....without dismissing either one as false!  :)
well one of them is false . Only one of them is a reliable pathway to truth and knowledge . The other is pretend and make believe !

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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2019, 02:39:30 PM »
Hi everyone,

Science is about the objective understanding of external (natural) phenomena.  Spirituality is about identifying the ultimate inner reality that is independent of the natural world and which outlives our temporal lives.  Quite obviously the latter is seen by most people as more important to our individual lives than any sort of understanding of the external world.

Normally these two (science and spirituality) can carry on without necessarily impinging on one another. Scientists could continue to investigate natural phenomena without worrying about the inner reality and spiritual people (within or without religion) can continue their practices to seek inner fulfillment. There should not be any problem.

Problem arises when firstly, Science conflicts with religious mythology and secondly, tries to explain all aspects of life including subjective fulfillment, in purely natural terms. This makes spirituality seem like  an ignorant and foolish attempt at seeking something that is not really there.  This is where it becomes necessary to attempt to bridge the gap and seek a common ground where both scientific discoveries and spiritual experiences merge. 

This is to establish that there really is something important and worthwhile that spirituality offers and which science does not seem to be able to grasp. This is  not just by way of winning arguments with scientists but more importantly to give the general public hope and encouragement in their spiritual attempts and help them shed self doubt.

Attempts at understanding consciousness and its influence on the external world is one major area where this is possible. Once this attempt succeeds and it becomes apparent even to science that there is more to our lives than what can be explained by external objective methods, then, once again science and spirituality can go about their business independently......but with respect for one another rather than contempt.

That is my point.   

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2019, 03:13:59 PM »
Oh dear
That sounds like a desperate attempt to gain some personal respect for what you belive to be the case.
I totally respect your right to believe what ever you want however I have no respect for what you believe
Cheers old chap ( and you seem like a nice one even if deluded)

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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2019, 03:45:06 PM »
I think we have already discussed the idea of Consciousness influencing outcomes in QM, about consciousness generating the universe, a common consciousness connecting all lives, Panpsychism....and so on.

As a general rule, if what I'm reading sounds like it's come from Deepak Chopra, I immediately start to suspect that it's not worth listening to.

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