Naga Munchetty - censored or censured ? OR both?

[Walter]

It isn't whataboutery. You are confused and evasive.

here we go again
I can't be bothered with you  . I shall now be evasive for a while , I've got other stuff to do today 😎

[Nearly Sane]

here we go again
I can't be bothered with you  . I shall now be evasive for a while , I've got other stuff to do today 😎

  Brave Sir Walter ran away...

[Nearly Sane]

You said I am a racist because I choose to live among similar minded people. That is not correct.

If people are citizens of a country you obviously can't ask them to leave. But if you feel people from other nations are migrating in for personal benefits and are thereby adding to the problems in the country you would be justified in thinking that they should leave.

We do that even within our country. If hordes of people from the North or North east or elsewhere come into southern cities (for example)  and take up local jobs the locals do protest. There is more crowding everywhere, prices go up, home rentals are not available...etc. etc.

It is quite simple really. If your next door neighbor has a problem in his home...doesn't mean he can walk into your home and start living there, regardless of his color or language or whatever.   You might accommodate him out of humanitarian considerations, for a day or two but not beyond that. And regardless of your humane tendencies you would be within your moral and legal rights to ask him to leave.

That is not racism. That is just safeguarding ones own environment and survival.

Long screed of racism from you.

[Walter]

You said I am a racist because I choose to live among similar minded people. That is not correct.

If people are citizens of a country you obviously can't ask them to leave. But if you feel people from other nations are migrating in for personal benefits and are thereby adding to the problems in the country you would be justified in thinking that they should leave.

We do that even within our country. If hordes of people from the North or North east or elsewhere come into southern cities (for example)  and take up local jobs the locals do protest. There is more crowding everywhere, prices go up, home rentals are not available...etc. etc.

It is quite simple really. If your next door neighbor has a problem in his home...doesn't mean he can walk into your home and start living there, regardless of his color or language or whatever.   You might accommodate him out of humanitarian considerations, for a day or two but not beyond that. And regardless of your humane tendencies you would be within your moral and legal rights to ask him to leave.

That is not racism. That is just safeguarding ones own environment and survival.

Correct


That's it , I'm off
Have a nice day all x

[Nearly Sane]

Correct


That's it , I'm off
Have a nice day all x

Racist agreeing with racist

[Udayana]

You are being very silly.  Violating another person or harming them in some way is both immoral and is also a crime.

Choosing to live with people of a similar cultural background is not a crime nor is it immoral or even unethical. It is just ones choice.

This is correct (echoing Walt).

However telling a stranger who chooses to live peaceably in or near your environment to "go home" is not only racist but against all Hindu (indeed all Indo-European) culture and principles.

[Nearly Sane]

This is correct (echoing Walt).

However telling a stranger who chooses to live peaceably in or near your environment to "go home" is not only racist but against all Hindu (indeed all Indo-European) culture and principles.

  Which given the discussion is why Walter and Sriram are racists.

[Robbie]

Ippy going back to one of your previous posts (& this thread certainly has moved on!), you mentioned Douglas Murray; you've talked about him before and seem to be quite devoted to him.  No one is infallable. Murray is extremely right wing, but readable and interesting. (Have you tried Alex Jones of Infowars?)  I'd rather read/listen to James O'Brien from LBC (who is fallible), someone who has come in for much criticism from Murray.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/james-obrien-and-the-vip-child-sex-abuse-lies/

(Seem to have gone off the topic of Naga Munchetty, apologies for that. I meant to write this earlier on in the thread when it seemed more relevant).

[Sriram]

This is correct (echoing Walt).

However telling a stranger who chooses to live peaceably in or near your environment to "go home" is not only racist but against all Hindu (indeed all Indo-European) culture and principles.

I generally agree. If a person or family is living legally and in line with the norms we cannot and should not ask them to leave.  That would be morally and legally incorrect.

But as happens often everywhere and even within India....certain communities slowly 'invade' certain territories and one by one take over entire localities such that someone who has been living there for decades is made to feel uncomfortable through various means and then made to leave.   Many localities that were earlier known to house certain communities have slowly but surely been 'taken over' by other communities.  This is a common feature. 

So foreseeing this problem and safeguarding ones own survival, culture and community is not wrong. 

[jeremyp]

If you are forced to live in India....would you choose to live in localities with similar minded English speaking.... British or European or American groups... or would you prefer to live among the locals who speak different languages, eat different foods and have different cultural norms and life styles?

Well my comfort zone would be in the British community but I might find it more rewarding to live amongst the locals and experience their culture, at least for a period of time.

[ippy]

That sounds like free-flowing xenophobia.

Well Gordon from a remainers point of view it's just another thing to have a go at the leavers for winning the referendum vote back in 16.

Leave won, that's it, there shouldn't be anything to argue about we should have left, anyway that's another part of why I'm choosing not to argue about brexit with anyone.

Regards, ippy 

[jeremyp]

But as happens often everywhere and even within India....certain communities slowly 'invade' certain territories and one by one take over entire localities such that someone who has been living there for decades is made to feel uncomfortable through various means and then made to leave.   Many localities that were earlier known to house certain communities have slowly but surely been 'taken over' by other communities.  This is a common feature. 

Yes it is a common feature. It happens all the time and everywhere. It's called "change". You can't stop it.

[Sriram]

Yes it is a common feature. It happens all the time and everywhere. It's called "change". You can't stop it.

Yes....and resistance to change is natural.  Change happens.... but if it is slow and happens over several generations it gets accepted. If the change happens very quickly, within ones lifetime...there is bound to be resistance.   

Changes in the past few decades have been too sudden and it is natural for people to resist it.

[Nearly Sane]

Yes....and resistance to change is natural.  Change happens.... but if it is slow and happens over several generations it gets accepted. If the change happens very quickly, within ones lifetime...there is bound to be resistance.   

Changes in the past few decades have been too sudden and it is natural for people to resist it.

Appeal to nature fallacy repeated to justify racist being racist.

[ippy]

Ippy going back to one of your previous posts (& this thread certainly has moved on!), you mentioned Douglas Murray; you've talked about him before and seem to be quite devoted to him.  No one is infallable. Murray is extremely right wing, but readable and interesting. (Have you tried Alex Jones of Infowars?)  I'd rather read/listen to James O'Brien from LBC (who is fallible), someone who has come in for much criticism from Murray.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/james-obrien-and-the-vip-child-sex-abuse-lies/

(Seem to have gone off the topic of Naga Munchetty, apologies for that. I meant to write this earlier on in the thread when it seemed more relevant).

Yes you're right but I haven't said I agree with him implicitly in every post I have put on the forum I didn't think I had to do so in every post and there again I have said in a few of my post that 'I mostly agree with his lines of thought', which I think you might agree is saying I don't agree with every single word he says.

When I referred to him on this thread if you were to listen to him or read the book of his I referred to pertaining to the subject of this thread, I was trying to convey on this particular subject it might be just about be possible to insert a cigarette paper between his view on this subject and mine, which I thought would enable me to avoid putting lengthy posts, like this one, about how I feel about the female named in the title of this thread.

Regards, ippy.

[Nearly Sane]

Yes you're right but I haven't said I agree with him implicitly in every post I have put on the forum I didn't think I had to do so in every post and there again I have said in a few of my post that 'I mostly agree with his lines of thought', which I think you might agree is saying I don't agree with every single word he says.

When I referred to him on this thread if you were to listen to him or read the book of his I referred to pertaining to the subject of this thread, I was trying to convey on this particular subject it might be just about be possible to insert a cigarette paper between his view on this subject and mine, which I thought would enable me to avoid putting lengthy posts, like this one, about how I feel about the female named in the title of this thread.

Regards, ippy.

Making an argument doesn't need long posts. Here you have made a long-ish post and made no argument.

[Gordon]

Well Gordon from a remainers point of view it's just another thing to have a go at the leavers for winning the referendum vote back in 16.

Leave won, that's it, there shouldn't be anything to argue about we should have left, anyway that's another part of why I'm choosing not to argue about brexit with anyone.

Regards, ippy

I was responding to Sriram's post, which had nothing to do with Brexit specifically and everything to do with xenophobia in a broader societal sense - I thought what he said was quite scary, and that xenophobia seems like a key driver of Brexit is just one example of why xenophobia is so pernicious.

[Sriram]

I was responding to Sriram's post, which had nothing to do with Brexit specifically and everything to do with xenophobia in a broader societal sense - I thought what he said was quite scary, and that xenophobia seems like a key driver of Brexit is just one example of why xenophobia is so pernicious.

Xenophobia is just a scary big word.  We can view the same phenomenon from different sides depending on our own emotional stand. 

It is actually just about safeguarding ones own culture and community...which is not such a bad thing.  Lots of communities around the world have been very proud of their culture and have maintained it for centuries.  Nothing wrong with that.

Economics is not everything...!

[Nearly Sane]

Xenophobia is just a scary big word.  We can view the same phenomenon from different sides depending on our own emotional stand. 

It is actually just about safeguarding ones own culture and community...which is not such a bad thing.  Lots of communities around the world have been very proud of their culture and have maintained it for centuries.  Nothing wrong with that.

Economics is not everything...!

Racist is quite a short word. It is quite scary. It is what you are.

[Udayana]

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When I referred to him on this thread if you were to listen to him or read the book of his I referred to pertaining to the subject of this thread, I was trying to convey on this particular subject it might be just about be possible to insert a cigarette paper between his view on this subject and mine, which I thought would enable me to avoid putting lengthy posts, like this one, about how I feel about the female named in the title of this thread.

Regards, ippy.

What on earth has Naga Munchetty done to you or against you? She is brilliant and humane. Douglas Murray, on the other hand is vile: does nothing but spread discord and hate. 

And, for the record she has been a British/UK citizen longer than he has. I certainly know who I would throw out (if anyone actually needed to be given the boot).

PS. Also, how on earth do you know what feelings Murray has for or against Munchetty?

[ippy]

What on earth has Naga Munchetty done to you or against you? She is brilliant and humane. Douglas Murray, on the other hand is vile: does nothing but spread discord and hate. 

And, for the record she has been a British/UK citizen longer than he has. I certainly know who I would throw out (if anyone actually needed to be given the boot).

PS. Also, how on earth do you know what feelings Murray has for or against Munchetty?

Just a touch of a misunderstanding here, largely I take a considerably differing view of the world to the way Naga sees things and at the same time I haven't got any sort of a bone with her she seem to be a perfectly decent sort of person just one of those people I don't very often share her point of view.

To my knowledge Douglas hasn't said anything negative about Naga M.

I find Douglas for most of the time spells things out in the same way I happen to think we disagree about his views so what, we disagree.

I have no wish to throw out either of them and think it's appalling to tell someone to go back to where they came from apparently conveyed to her based on the colour of her skin. 

As I have said my own two sons are so called coloured they were born here in the UK and brought up by a so called white mum and dad, we don't see colour metaphorically, we see good folk and bad folk and the rest in between and that's it.

I find it difficult to see anything racist in Sriram's posts, surly he's talking about culture.

I don't think I could live India nothing to do with any single Indian, every time I have seen a travelogue and other films in general about India it always looks like about 3000 people per square inch everywhere and I tend to avoid crowds, the exaggeration was only made to emphasise my point no offence intended to India or Indians.

Oh yes now I've said something not 100% positive about India and Indians the PC hit squad'll be out and about looking for me, good job I've got my tin hat on ready.

Regards, ippy.   

[Sriram]

ippy,

What you feel about India is perfectly justified. I feel like that myself sometimes...regardless of how much I love my country.

We all have a right to choose where we live and with which community or culture we want to live in.  That doesn't mean we hate anyone or mean any harm to anyone.

[Sriram]

Well my comfort zone would be in the British community but I might find it more rewarding to live amongst the locals and experience their culture, at least for a period of time.

Yes....I like to travel to Florence and Venice and eat Italian food every now and then.....doesn't mean I would like to live among Italian people all my life. And I have nothing against Italians or anyone else.

If I lived in London I would prefer to live among vegetarian South Indian people. No ill will against white English people at all.

[jeremyp]

Yes....I like to travel to Florence and Venice and eat Italian food every now and then.....doesn't mean I would like to live among Italian people all my life. And I have nothing against Italians or anyone else.

If I lived in London I would prefer to live among vegetarian South Indian people. No ill will against white English people at all.

Sadly, there is a group of people in the UK that would take great pleasure in telling you to go home. It shames me to have to admit that such arseholes exist in my country.

[Sriram]

Sadly, there is a group of people in the UK that would take great pleasure in telling you to go home. It shames me to have to admit that such arseholes exist in my country.

Yes...and they exist in every country.   Up to a point..they are even right. 

Our home is our home. We have made it what it is. Guests could be welcome temporarily.  But if the entire neighborhood chooses to come over and live in your home because it is beautiful....you will have a problem...!