Naga Munchetty - censored or censured ? OR both?

[Robbie]

I can't see anything racist about what Sririam has said.  I thought a lot about it last night, re- reading.

It's natural to gravitate towards people who understand us and generally think like us.  Not always to do with race (certainly in this country where many areas are cosmopolitan), but shared interests, like minds, human rights issues, the peace movement, causes, etc.  That doesn't mean disliking or excluding anyone else. We can feel comfortable with, and enriched by, many people but there's usually a core group with whom we identify.  In my case that is true and has nothing to do with race.  I'm friendly with a lot of folk, at home and work, the people with whom I mix at work are diverse which is great;  my closest friends are people who are on my wavelength (even we don't agree on everything, wouldn't it be boring if we did), our lifestyles are similar in some respects so we understand each other.

There are areas in this country where particular groups dominate the population. So what? I've not encountered hostility from any individuals, on the contrary they're usually hospitable.

I hope I'm making myself clear.

(Would you believe I've only just got up! Long time since I've had such a comfortable lay in - husband doing breakfast.)

Not sure about Walter, he is someone who often says things tongue in cheek :-).

Ippy has explained himself quite well. I do wonder how immigration has impacted on him personally (it hasn't affected me at all), and would be interested to know.

[Nearly Sane]

I can't see anything racist about what Sririam has said.  I thought a lot about it last night, re- reading.

It's natural to gravitate towards people who understand us and generally think like us.  Not always to do with race (certainly in this country where many areas are cosmopolitan), but shared interests, like minds, human rights issues, the peace movement, causes, etc.  That doesn't mean disliking or excluding anyone else. We can feel comfortable with, and enriched by, many people but there's usually a core group with whom we identify.  In my case that is true and has nothing to do with race.  I'm friendly with a lot of folk, at home and work, the people with whom I mix at work are diverse which is great;  my closest friends are people who are on my wavelength (even we don't agree on everything, wouldn't it be boring if we did), our lifestyles are similar in some respects so we understand each other.

There are areas in this country where particular groups dominate the population. So what? I've not encountered hostility from any individuals, on the contrary they're usually hospitable.

I hope I'm making myself clear.

(Would you believe I've only just got up! Long time since I've had such a comfortable lay in - husband doing breakfast.)

Not sure about Walter, he is someone who often says things tongue in cheek :-).

Ippy has explained himself quite well. I do wonder how immigration has impacted on him personally (it hasn't affected me at all), and would be interested to know.

So you are supporting the normalisation of people saying to Naga Munchetty to go back home, and Trump's remarks.

[Roses]

So you are supporting the normalisation of people saying to Naga Munchetty to go back home, and Trump's remarks.

That was the conclusion to which I came as well.

[Bramble]

So you are supporting the normalisation of people saying to Naga Munchetty to go back home, and Trump's remarks.

Struggling to see where Robbie does that. Maybe I've missed something.

[ekim]

Struggling to see where Robbie does that. Maybe I've missed something.

Me too.

[Robbie]

I don't know where you got that from!

How ridiculous, I've never thought or said anything like that in my life. If you read my post properly you'll know what I meant.

Thank you to Bramble and ekim who obviously didn't just skim read my post. I'd have expected such a comment from LR but not from NS>

Honestly .

[Roses]

I don't know where you got that from!

How ridiculous, I've never thought or said anything like that in my life. If you read my post properly you'll know what I meant.

Thank you to Bramble and ekim who obviously didn't just skim read my post. I'd have expected such a comment from LR but not from NS>

Honestly .

I apologise if I got it wrong.

[Bramble]

Concerning what 'home' is, I find very poignant the words of Michał Iwanowski, who walked 1200 miles from Cardiff to Poland in 2018 because of graffiti that said “Go Home, Polish.”

“I feel utterly at home walking in the landscape, wherever that landscape is. I don’t need to be told by a government, ‘This is your home.’ The ground beneath my feet sanctifies my belonging in this world – not the passport given to me by a country.”

[Sriram]

So you are supporting the normalisation of people saying to Naga Munchetty to go back home, and Trump's remarks.

She is not saying anything of that sort. She is just being sensible...unlike some others....!

[Robbie]

I don't know where you got that from!

How ridiculous, I've never thought or said anything like that in my life. If you read my post properly you'll know what I meant.

Thank you to Bramble and ekim who obviously didn't just skim read my post. I'd have expected such a comment from LR but not from NS>

Honestly .

(Because of you don't think Sriram or ippy or Walter are being racist when they argue that saying Go Home to immigrants is racist as they have said then you support the normalisation of that and Trump's remarks. )

(I didn't say the above paragraph, don't know how it got there. Robbie.)

[Udayana]

I can't see anything racist about what Sririam has said.  I thought a lot about it last night, re- reading.

It's natural to gravitate towards people who understand us and generally think like us.  Not always to do with race (certainly in this country where many areas are cosmopolitan), but shared interests, like minds, human rights issues, the peace movement, causes, etc.  That doesn't mean disliking or excluding anyone else. We can feel comfortable with, and enriched by, many people but there's usually a core group with whom we identify.  In my case that is true and has nothing to do with race.  I'm friendly with a lot of folk, at home and work, the people with whom I mix at work are diverse which is great;  my closest friends are people who are on my wavelength (even we don't agree on everything, wouldn't it be boring if we did), our lifestyles are similar in some respects so we understand each other.

There are areas in this country where particular groups dominate the population. So what? I've not encountered hostility from any individuals, on the contrary they're usually hospitable.

I hope I'm making myself clear.
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Robbie,

IMO, this is fine as far as you have got. However that was not the topic on which Naga was being questioned and does not address the immigration questions.

Sriram is likely correct that many people feel more comfortable with people of their own kind (or rather who they think are of their own kind) - but there is no reason that that point should influence policies of which people (classified by race, nationality, ethnic origin, politics or religion etc ... or diet even), should be allowed to migrate anywhere or policies designating areas or regions they in which they should or should not be allowed to live.

I could just as well say the Remainers obviously get on better with other Remainers and Leavers with Leavers and go on to call for the partition of the UK into one area inside the EU and one outside with a wall between them.

[Aruntraveller]

Up to a point..they are even right. 

I think this is the part of Sririam's post that is offensive. How can it ever be right to say to Naga Munchetty to go back to where you come from, unless you do intend for her to return to a suburb of London.

[Udayana]

Concerning what 'home' is, I find very poignant the words of Michał Iwanowski, who walked 1200 miles from Cardiff to Poland in 2018 because of graffiti that said “Go Home, Polish.”

“I feel utterly at home walking in the landscape, wherever that landscape is. I don’t need to be told by a government, ‘This is your home.’ The ground beneath my feet sanctifies my belonging in this world – not the passport given to me by a country.”

Good quote - pretty much captures my own feelings.

[Aruntraveller]

I could just as well say the Remainers obviously get on better with other Remainers and Leavers with Leavers and go on to call for the partition of the UK into one area inside the EU and one outside with a wall between them.

I can go with that 

[ippy]

I can go with that 

Unfortunately we have remainers in our close family brexit doesn't get mentioned at all we all get on swimmingly as we always have done we do get the occasional little bit of friction I can only suppose that's because they can't all be on the good looking side of the family.

Regards, ippy.

[Aruntraveller]

Unfortunately we have remainers in our close family brexit doesn't get mentioned at all we all get on swimmingly as we always have done we do get the occasional little bit of friction I can only suppose that's because they can't all be on the good looking side of the family.

Regards, ippy.

Twas only tongue in cheek Ippy. I too have family who aren't as good looking as me!

[Udayana]

I think this is the part of Sririam's post that is offensive. How can it ever be right to say to Naga Muchetty to go back to where you come from, unless you do intend for her to return to a suburb of London.

I have lived in the UK for 66+ years (Indian origin/ethnicity but born in the UK) with significantly longs stays working in Germany, Luxembourg, India and the States, have also visited many countries on business or vacation. In that time I have only ever been told "to go home" twice - both times after inflammatory events - the Enoch Powell speech in '68 and Nick Griffin's appearance on QT  - and both by twerps probably unable to tie their own shoelaces.

So, although I agree it is racist and comes from racism (in the widest sense) it is certainly not common in my experience.

[ippy]

ippy,

What you feel about India is perfectly justified. I feel like that myself sometimes...regardless of how much I love my country.

We all have a right to choose where we live and with which community or culture we want to live in.  That doesn't mean we hate anyone or mean any harm to anyone.

Exactly! Mind you Sriram I have become a bit racist since getting my boys I'll admit that but much as I love children I do now have a tendency to see darker skinned children as slightly more attractive and some times, when I look at other people's so called white children there's another thought that goes through my mind a 100 times quicker than I would ever be able to say it, 'crumbs don't they look pasty'.

Now that's racist, innit.

Regards, ippy.

[Sriram]

Udayana,

Maybe the incidents and events you have referred to were indeed racist specifically.....but feelings of belonging to a  community or culture have nothing to do with racism. 

Maybe they are not always commonly expressed....but the feelings are fairly common. 'Oh...there goes the neighborhood' is a common feeling generally in most people....but more so if the change is rapid and extensive within ones lifetime. 

Of course, maybe people who have moved around a bit and don't have strong cultural moorings, tend not to feel it that strongly.

[Udayana]

Udayana,

Maybe the incidents and events you have referred to were indeed racist specifically.....but feelings of belonging to a  community or culture have nothing to do with racism. 

Maybe they are not always commonly expressed....but the feelings are fairly common. 'Oh...there goes the neighborhood' is a common feeling generally in most people....but more so if the change is rapid and extensive within ones lifetime. 

Of course, maybe people who have moved around a bit and don't have strong cultural moorings, tend not to feel it that strongly.

Yes, of-course, people have all these feelings at various times, but in our interactions with others and when deciding the rules and policies of our towns or nations we should put them aside and base our decisions and actions on a rational, reasonable and fair basis.

[Sriram]

I agree about living according to certain norms. We all have to adjust our feelings and cultural biases to suit the changing environment.

But having said that, it is these rapid and forced adjustments, coupled with political correctness that leads to alienation from ones own immediate surroundings, ones own society and ones own countrymen. This is what leads to significant stress and suppressed anger. 

Govt. policies should take into account such matters also without focusing only on economic issues.

[jeremyp]

So you are supporting the normalisation of people saying to Naga Munchetty to go back home,

What? To Streatham?

[Walter]

  Which given the discussion is why Walter and Sriram are racists.

choose your weapon sir 😡😠

[Walter]

I don't know where you got that from!

How ridiculous, I've never thought or said anything like that in my life. If you read my post properly you'll know what I meant.

Thank you to Bramble and ekim who obviously didn't just skim read my post. I'd have expected such a comment from LR but not from NS>

Honestly .

Robbie
Don't fret over this NS often displays outright bullying techniques and cowardice hiding behind a computer screen x

[Nearly Sane]

Robbie
Don't fret over this NS often displays outright bullying techniques and cowardice hiding behind a computer screen x

I forgive you.