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« Reply #125 on: September 29, 2019, 09:34:36 PM »
I don't know where you got that from!

How ridiculous, I've never thought or said anything like that in my life. If you read my post properly you'll know what I meant.

Thank you to Bramble and ekim who obviously didn't just skim read my post. I'd have expected such a comment from LR but not from NS>

Honestly ::).
Because Sriram, ippy, and Walter have all taken the position that saying Go Home is fine. You don't see anything racist in that, therefore you support the normalisation of that and Trump's remarks.

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« Reply #126 on: September 29, 2019, 09:37:52 PM »
choose your weapon sir 😡😠
You write supporting racism, I will call it out.

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« Reply #127 on: September 29, 2019, 11:11:06 PM »
You write supporting racism, I will call it out.
and self righteousness is as sickening as it is embarrassing , I will call it out.

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« Reply #128 on: September 30, 2019, 05:24:30 AM »
and self righteousness is as sickening as it is embarrassing , I will call it out.
Because anyone being racist should be allowed to be in case they get 'sickened' for having it pointed out.

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« Reply #129 on: September 30, 2019, 07:51:57 PM »

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« Reply #130 on: September 30, 2019, 08:02:54 PM »
So they should!  I don't know why she was in trouble in the first place, what she said was dead right and plenty of other have said more.  I don't know what the Beeb bosses were thinking, however common sense has prevailed and it's over now thank goodness.
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« Reply #131 on: September 30, 2019, 09:23:06 PM »
Let's hope that others on this thread who were more supportive of it being ok to tell people to go home because of their race or nationality agree that Munchetty was right and that saying that as Trump did is racist.

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« Reply #132 on: October 01, 2019, 05:29:55 AM »
Let's hope that others on this thread who were more supportive of it being ok to tell people to go home because of their race or nationality agree that Munchetty was right and that saying that as Trump did is racist.



I did not support racism nor did I want Munchetty to be sent 'home'.   Stop being silly...NS!

Read my posts again!     

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« Reply #133 on: October 01, 2019, 05:54:02 AM »


I did not support racism nor did I want Munchetty to be sent 'home'.   Stop being silly...NS!

Read my posts again!   

I didn't say you did want Munchetty to be sent home but you argued that people saying to people from other countries were understandable and in some ways justified. That's racism.
 

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« Reply #134 on: October 01, 2019, 08:23:10 AM »
The BBC have apparently rescinded their complaint against Munchetty.
"At the going down of the sun and in the morning we will remember them."

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« Reply #135 on: October 01, 2019, 02:55:22 PM »
Yes, Gordon posted about that last night. Good. I couldn't understand why she was told off in the first place, she only said what most of us know if we live in the 'real world' & it was in response to stupid Trump's remark. Naga Munchetty is great, she has a lot of support from colleagues who voiced their thoughts that it was an OTT reaction. Thankfully it's over but it made people sit up and take notice which can't be bad.
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« Reply #136 on: October 04, 2019, 11:15:10 AM »


I did not support racism nor did I want Munchetty to be sent 'home'.   Stop being silly...NS!

Read my posts again!   

Don't be too hard on him Sriram, he consistently gets the wrong end of the stick in all sorts of threads.

Regards, ippy.

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« Reply #137 on: October 04, 2019, 12:17:09 PM »
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Yes...and they exist in every country.   Up to a point..they are even right. 

Just to remind you Sririam. You can clarify here - but it looks like you are saying up to a point Racists are right.

And just to clarify If someone tells my Indian partner to go back home then I do consider them racist.

And then there's the question of where home is - is it East Africa where he was born, or is it where his parents came from so that would be Zanzibar or Belgaum in India - or is his home actually the UK because let me tell you he is more "British" in his attitudes than I am.

So do clarify if you can.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #138 on: October 07, 2019, 04:51:02 PM »
I can't see anything racist about what Sririam has said.  I thought a lot about it last night, re- reading.

It's natural to gravitate towards people who understand us and generally think like us.  Not always to do with race (certainly in this country where many areas are cosmopolitan), but shared interests, like minds, human rights issues, the peace movement, causes, etc.  That doesn't mean disliking or excluding anyone else. We can feel comfortable with, and enriched by, many people but there's usually a core group with whom we identify.  In my case that is true and has nothing to do with race.  I'm friendly with a lot of folk, at home and work, the people with whom I mix at work are diverse which is great;  my closest friends are people who are on my wavelength (even we don't agree on everything, wouldn't it be boring if we did), our lifestyles are similar in some respects so we understand each other.

There are areas in this country where particular groups dominate the population. So what? I've not encountered hostility from any individuals, on the contrary they're usually hospitable.

I hope I'm making myself clear.

(Would you believe I've only just got up! Long time since I've had such a comfortable lay in - husband doing breakfast.)

Not sure about Walter, he is someone who often says things tongue in cheek :-).

Ippy has explained himself quite well. I do wonder how immigration has impacted on him personally (it hasn't affected me at all), and would be interested to know.

I was just having a quick read through and picked up this poser of yours and my answer would be immigration has mostly affected me because of the blindingly obvious numbers that make me think where have you been if you too haven't noticed.

No I don't care who, where they come from or what colour and as long as they're not better looking than me and come here to live as long as the numbers are a manageable amount and score enough points on some kind of Aussie points system applicable to the needs of the UK, oh yes there would be a lot of criminal type behaviour that should disqualify people probably best dealt with on a case by case basis.

There you are now you know Robbie.

Regards, ippy.

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« Reply #139 on: October 07, 2019, 05:12:26 PM »
Just to remind you Sririam. You can clarify here - but it looks like you are saying up to a point Racists are right.

And just to clarify If someone tells my Indian partner to go back home then I do consider them racist.

And then there's the question of where home is - is it East Africa where he was born, or is it where his parents came from so that would be Zanzibar or Belgaum in India - or is his home actually the UK because let me tell you he is more "British" in his attitudes than I am.

So do clarify if you can.


No...I am not saying that racists are right. I am saying that when a place gets too crowded by outsiders the locals have a right to protest. That is all.

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« Reply #140 on: October 07, 2019, 05:14:56 PM »
I was just having a quick read through and picked up this poser of yours and my answer would be immigration has mostly affected me because of the blindingly obvious numbers that make me think where have you been if you too haven't noticed.

No I don't care who, where they come from or what colour and as long as they're not better looking than me and come here to live as long as the numbers are a manageable amount and score enough points on some kind of Aussie points system applicable to the needs of the UK, oh yes there would be a lot of criminal type behaviour that should disqualify people probably best dealt with on a case by case basis.

There you are now you know Robbie.

Regards, ippy.





Ippy...you are very proud of your good looks and have mentioned it several times here.  :D  Why don't you post a photo or a link so that we can have the pleasure of seeing your good looks. This is a genuine request.  :)

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« Reply #141 on: October 07, 2019, 05:21:53 PM »

No...I am not saying that racists are right. I am saying that when a place gets too crowded by outsiders the locals have a right to protest. That is all.

So when you wrote 'Up to a point..they are even right', you didn't mean it? Or you did mean it and they are allowed to show their racism but in some undefined way you think? Or you did mean it, and saying 'Why don't you go home?  Is a valid protest?

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« Reply #142 on: October 07, 2019, 05:56:16 PM »
I haven't heard anyone suggest 'go home' for a very long time; the last I heard it was some years ago from an elderly lady who was, frankly, rather afraid that her way of life would somehow be disrupted. I remember pointing out to her, gently, that the people she felt ought to go 'home' were at home, they'd been born here. She just hadn't thought it out properly. Prejudice always comes from fear of some type. If we live in a multicultural or cosmopolitan, whatever the correct term is, area, we are not going to have fear of people on racial grounds.

Ippy, thanks for your reply. I can't say I've noticed that much quite honestly, I've seen programmes on television about influx of immigrants in some places but here it isn't much different to how it was twenty years or more ago. I don't think it would affect or bother me anyway, I'd say if it did. My life goes on the same regardless. That doesn't mean I don't feel terribly sorry for people who take great risks to come to the UK and other places because of war and persecution in their home land, I certainly do and if there is anything I can do to help them, I will. My parents and grandparents did the same. We're fortunate to live here, we did nothing to achieve that, it's just how it happened; could have been very different.

As a Christian, which won't mean anything to many here, I'm always conscious that Mary and Joseph with the little Jesus fled persecution and went to Egypt where they stayed a few years, living and working freely, until King Herod died and it was safe to return. I daresay not everyone in their community did return, some would have been quite happy to stay once established in Egypt.

Ippy, In last para I prefixed what I said with, " As a Christian, which won't mean anything to many here...."

I'm the last person to inflict views on anyone, I was merely stating what I felt, there was no need for you to be scathing when you could have ignored it. You need to learn some manners.
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« Reply #143 on: October 07, 2019, 07:02:44 PM »


Ippy...you are very proud of your good looks and have mentioned it several times here.  :D  Why don't you post a photo or a link so that we can have the pleasure of seeing your good looks. This is a genuine request.  :)

Because it'd be too devastating for you Sriram and I'm far to kind and modest to post my picture on line.

Regards, ippy.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2019, 08:01:34 PM by ippy »

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« Reply #144 on: October 07, 2019, 07:47:01 PM »
I haven't heard anyone suggest 'go home' for a very long time; the last I heard it was some years ago from an elderly lady who was, frankly, rather afraid that her way of life would somehow be disrupted. I remember pointing out to her, gently, that the people she felt ought to go 'home' were at home, they'd been born here. She just hadn't thought it out properly. Prejudice always comes from fear of some type. If we live in a multicultural or cosmopolitan, whatever the correct term is, area, we are not going to have fear of people on racial grounds.

Ippy, thanks for your reply. I can't say I've noticed that much quite honestly, I've seen programmes on television about influx of immigrants in some places but here it isn't much different to how it was twenty years or more ago. I don't think it would affect or bother me anyway, I'd say if it did. My life goes on the same regardless. That doesn't mean I don't feel terribly sorry for people who take great risks to come to the UK and other places because of war and persecution in their home land, I certainly do and if there is anything I can do to help them, I will. My parents and grandparents did the same. We're fortunate to live here, we did nothing to achieve that, it's just how it happened; could have been very different.

As a Christian, which won't mean anything to many here, I'm always conscious that Mary and Joseph with the little Jesus fled persecution and went to Egypt where they stayed a few years, living and working freely, until King Herod died and it was safe to return. I daresay not everyone in their community did return, some would have been quite happy to stay once established in Egypt.

Robbie, I'll just add I don't blame anybody that is seeking to make a better future for themselves and family for trying to get here to the UK but even there I think the points system, to be decided, should apply, I'm talking potential immigrants not asylum seekers.

Obviously the clock can't be turned back but if about a half of the numbers immigrants we have here now compared with a very few years ago were to return to their countries of origin for myself and many others we would be astounded at the numbers involved with half as many we have at the moment.

I don't have problems living with these so many immigrants all it is with me is the numbers involved.

If as you say you haven't noticed that much quite honestly, which one of our many UK off shore islands are you living on.

I too feel sorry for people that take great risks to come here but all the time we keep on letting in so many they'll keep on taking the risks, we should be fully enforcing the a points system no matter where the potential immigrants are coming from, asylum seekers accepted, and maybe they'll start to ring the front door bell and request an approved entry.

Oh yes, as a person that doesn't think I've got a bunch of fairies living at the bottom of my garden, I can't be giving you any indefensible myths or hearsay stories about figures that are far more likely to be fictitious than not.

Regards, ippy.



 

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« Reply #145 on: October 08, 2019, 12:24:34 AM »
I've said before now I live In Bromley - London Borough, Kent to some people, not Bromley-by-Bow. I also work in a different part of Bromley. I'm not unaware of, for example, more people from Easter Europe than there used to be, I see several at work, know about the wonders of Polish plumbers (we did have a Polish guy recommended to me who did some work for us a few years back), and there are more grocery shops catering for the E European market than there used to be. That doesn't bother me at all, some just work here for a while and go back, others stay and are integrated. I could've gone to another EU country and worked there if I'd wanted, I didn't. I also occasionally think stupid and inappropriate things - one example is when someone was telling me about the beauties of Transylvania and I kept thinking, "Where the vampires come from", didn't say it but wanted to giggle(childish).

Over the years I've seen more people from Somalia and know there are areas with large Somali community.

When I was at school there was an influx of people from Kenya and a bit later, Uganda, the latter left because of Idi Amin, can't remember details about the Kenya people but think it was similar.
Plenty of British people have lived in both of those countries.

Of course there's a difference between someone travelling to work in another country and escaping a harsh regime. The latter have it harder.

I'm just not bothered by it Ippy. Life goes on the same, there are economic ups and downs here as everywhere but we're still basically alright. It might be different for you.

I didn't realise it was so late! Seeyou tomorrow maybe. I think we've done this to death, can't think of anything else to say on the subject.
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« Reply #146 on: October 08, 2019, 06:04:36 AM »
Because it'd be too devastating for you Sriram and I'm far to kind and modest to post my picture on line.

Regards, ippy.


Don't be shy ippy!   ;)  You can see my mug shot at my blog site, for what it is worth. Click above left.  :)

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« Reply #147 on: October 08, 2019, 06:11:17 AM »



Coming back to the subject.... I think the whole idea of people migrating from poorer countries to richer countries seeking a better life...is unsustainable.  How long can this go on?!  It was a trickle in the 1960's but has become a flood now.

Ultimately we will end up making everyone equally poor and miserable. Not to speak of the cultural invasion.

Richer countries can and should help poorer countries to develop and become richer so that this sort of one sided migration can stop. 


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« Reply #148 on: October 08, 2019, 06:25:12 AM »
It evens out evenually, Sririam. Manywho have come here seeking a better life have stayed and helped enrich and build up our nation.
Can't speak for India.
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« Reply #149 on: October 08, 2019, 06:39:24 AM »
It evens out evenually, Sririam. Manywho have come here seeking a better life have stayed and helped enrich and build up our nation.
Can't speak for India.

We have had severe problems with Bangladesh, Myanmar and Sri Lanka refugees. 

Even within India, the problem is lob sided development.  Some states are fairly well developed and are having fertility rates that are less than replacement rates.  Some other states are very poor and continue to have high population growth rates even today. So this results in migration of workers from one state to another.

Ultimately many of the migrants end up sleeping on footpaths, doing meager jobs, begging and so on.  Many locals get angry that in their state, in which they pay the taxes, these 'outsiders' turn up in a sorry state and add to the misery of others. 

This is a problem with no immediate solution. People should work for an even development so that such migrations are not necessary or the inflow and outflow get balanced.