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Roses

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How was god created?
« on: October 11, 2019, 11:54:58 AM »
Assuming god is an entity is its own right, instead of a figment of the human imagination I believe it to be, how was it created? The answer, 'god was always there', is not logical, especially as many Biblical literalists state, 'something cannot come from nothing'.
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Re: How was god created?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2019, 12:13:58 PM »
At the risk of batting for the wrong side, as it were, why is an eternal god not logical?  Time, so far as we can tell, is a facet of this universe, and as such anything outside of this universe isn't subject to the usual understanding of existence that we have.  Is 'outside of time' functionally any different to eternal or infinite?  It begs questions about how the two would interact, given that our understanding of anything that qualifies as interaction requires a time component, but still.

I ask because it's the same question I ask when believers tell me, in the rich vein of William Laine Craig, that reality can't be an infinite thing in which our finite universe resides.

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Re: How was god created?
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2019, 01:46:59 PM »
There must be some structure out there which kicked everything off, but how it came about is a mystery. I don't believe it is a godlike entity of the sort in which humans believe as they are not credible, imo.
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Re: How was god created?
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2019, 01:55:52 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 11, 2019, 01:46:59 PM
There must be some structure out there which kicked everything off, but how it came about is a mystery. I don't believe it is a godlike entity of the sort in which humans believe as they are not credible, imo.

What do you mean by 'some structure out there which kicked everything off'?
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Re: How was god created?
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2019, 01:58:08 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on October 11, 2019, 01:55:52 PM
What do you mean by 'some structure out there which kicked everything off'?

I have no idea what kicked it off but obviously something did, but I don't believe it to have been a god of the sort humans worship.
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Re: How was god created?
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2019, 02:01:17 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 11, 2019, 01:58:08 PM
I have no idea what kicked it off but obviously something did, but I don't believe it to have been a god of the sort humans worship.
  You are using the same logic that you are arguing those who believe in gods are wrong to use. If 'something kicked it off', what kicked off the 'something'?
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Re: How was god created?
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2019, 02:54:18 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on October 11, 2019, 02:01:17 PM
  You are using the same logic that you are arguing those who believe in gods are wrong to use. If 'something kicked it off', what kicked off the 'something'?

Oh blimey, you, my husband and his best friend must come out of the same mould of super high intellectual ability. Every time I open my mouth I have to produce evidence for everything I say, even if I say it is a pleasant day. Poor little me was in hiding when intelligence was handed out, and I am dazzled by people like you three, who overshadow me. ;D ;D ;D His best friend has been paying us a visit for the last three days. Before he retired he was in charge of the inventing batteries for the European Space Centre rockets. Even though my husband has only half a functioning brain after his brain haemorrhage in 2006 he is light years brighter than me. They are playing a game of chess at present and in between moves discussing the latest high tech discoveries, way over my head, which houses my single brain cell.
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Re: How was god created?
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2019, 02:56:50 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 11, 2019, 01:58:08 PM
I have no idea what kicked it off but obviously something did, but I don't believe it to have been a god of the sort humans worship.

That sounds like the argument that everything has a cause, to which the obvious reply is, how do you know?
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Re: How was god created?
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2019, 03:12:19 PM »
Quote from: wigginhall on October 11, 2019, 02:56:50 PM
That sounds like the argument that everything has a cause, to which the obvious reply is, how do you know?

Well of course I don't know for sure, it just seemed logical to me.
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Re: How was god created?
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2019, 03:56:17 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 11, 2019, 03:12:19 PM
Well of course I don't know for sure, it just seemed logical to me.

I think Outrider above was referring to the old argument that if God is reckoned to be eternal, why not the universe, or cosmos?  I don't know, but does anybody?
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Re: How was god created?
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2019, 04:14:50 PM »
Quote from: wigginhall on October 11, 2019, 03:56:17 PM
I think Outrider above was referring to the old argument that if God is reckoned to be eternal, why not the universe, or cosmos?  I don't know, but does anybody?

Of course none of us know, even if theists think they do. I wonder if science will be able to come up with the definitive answer in the future?
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Re: How was god created?
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2019, 09:37:09 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 11, 2019, 04:14:50 PM
Of course none of us know, even if theists think they do. I wonder if science will be able to come up with the definitive answer in the future?
probably but it will be like reaching the end of a book that someone's torn the last page out of
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Re: How was god created?
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2019, 10:31:24 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 11, 2019, 01:46:59 PM
There must be some structure out there which kicked everything off, but how it came about is a mystery. I don't believe it is a godlike entity of the sort in which humans believe as they are not credible, imo.
That is an assertion with no evidence to back it up, imo.
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Re: How was god created?
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2019, 10:40:24 PM »
Don't know about God being invented or created but primitive man may have been afraid of natural things, e.g. volcanoes, an overflowing river that bursts its banks or a landslide. If one of the persons was injured by any of them, say bonked on the head, they worshipped them, were in awe of them & if for example a volcano didn't erupt for many years they showed gratitude and developed rituals around them.
I think.
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Re: How was god created?
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2019, 08:21:29 AM »
Quote from: Steve H on October 11, 2019, 10:31:24 PM
That is an assertion with no evidence to back it up, imo.

No I haven't any evidence to back it up, anymore than those who believe the Bible god exists.
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