Porn blocker plan dropped

[Nearly Sane]

This has been on the cards for a while. It was always going to be problematic.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50073102

[Roses]

There needs to be some way of preventing children from viewing porn, which is far from wholesome.

[Nearly Sane]

There needs to be some way of preventing children from viewing porn, which is far from wholesome.

We definitely have to consider how we deal with porn but govts making vacuous ill thought out announcements isn't useful. Essentially this has just wasted time because they wanted to be seen to be doing something rather than putting in the work to find out something sensible and feasible to do.

[Roses]

We definitely have to consider how we deal with porn but govts making vacuous ill thought out announcements isn't useful. Essentially this has just wasted time because they wanted to be seen to be doing something rather than putting in the work to find out something sensible and feasible to do.

 I agree.

[jeremyp]

There needs to be some way of preventing children from viewing porn, which is far from wholesome.

It's called parental responsibility.

[jeremyp]

We definitely have to consider how we deal with porn

In what way does it need to be dealt with?

[Nearly Sane]

It's called parental responsibility.

And if because some people aren't as responsible as you would like, then society should do nothing to protect people?

[Nearly Sane]

In what way does it need to be dealt with?

  Obviously correlation is difficult to prove but for example

https://fightthenewdrug.org/deaths-from-violent-sex-are-increasing-because-of-porn-inspired-strangling/

[jeremyp]

And if because some people aren't as responsible as you would like, then society should do nothing to protect people?

Society can do what it likes to protect children but I'd prefer it not to infringe my rights to do so, if at all possible.

It's pretty easy for parents to install porn blocking on their routers and PCs these days. Let them do it. Make illegal for them not to do it if you like but leave me alone.

[jeremyp]

  Obviously correlation is difficult to prove but for example

https://fightthenewdrug.org/deaths-from-violent-sex-are-increasing-because-of-porn-inspired-strangling/

Impossible in that case I would have thought.

[Nearly Sane]

Society can do what it likes to protect children but I'd prefer it not to infringe my rights to do so, if at all possible.

It's pretty easy for parents to install porn blocking on their routers and PCs these days. Let them do it. Make illegal for them not to do it if you like but leave me alone.

  Which is always going to be s balance about how you achieve protection and maximum freedom. So LR's question about protecting children, ism't feasibly answered by 'parental responsibility'

[Nearly Sane]

Impossible in that case I would have thought.

True, and yet society has to try and take a more balanced approach that full proof here, imo. We have to listen to people and perhaps deal with the issues by education, and trying to improve how we deal with porn and the idea of sex 'work' but the idea that the net hasn't affected what that approach needs to be seems foolish.

[jeremyp]

  Which is always going to be s balance about how you achieve protection and maximum freedom. So LR's question about protecting children, isn't feasibly answered by 'parental responsibility'

We ll i think this measure goes to far. Find a better way. There are plenty of them.

[Nearly Sane]

We ll i think this measure goes to far. Find a better way. There are plenty of them.

I agree it was doomed as already covered in thread for being badly thought out.

[Walter]

I agree it was doomed as already covered in thread for being badly thought out.

so I'm in the post office queue and reach the counter,

my pension  and a PORN CARD please luv!
What level sir?
All of em please , I'm feeling optimistic, btw , do you sell tissues?

[Nearly Sane]

so I'm in the post office queue and reach the counter,

my pension  and a PORN CARD please luv!
What level sir?
All of em please , I'm feeling optimistic, btw , do you sell tissues?

And people will be worried about what colour of cover it is. On the bright side it should allow you to vote if voter ID is introduced.

[Walter]

And people will be worried about what colour of cover it is. On the bright side it should allow you to vote if voter ID is introduced.

two birds...….
what's not to like?

[jeremyp]

so I'm in the post office queue and reach the counter,

my pension  and a PORN CARD please luv!
What level sir?
All of em please , I'm feeling optimistic, btw , do you sell tissues?

For some reason you have put me in mind of the Not the Nine O'Clock News sketch where a man goes into a newsagent, buys a top shelf magazine and the Sun and puts the Sun inside the top shelf magazine as he leaves.

[Outrider]

There needs to be some way of preventing children from viewing porn, which is far from wholesome.

My kids have two of those; we call them parents.

O.l

[Outrider]

Which is always going to be s balance about how you achieve protection and maximum freedom. So LR's question about protecting children, ism't feasibly answered by 'parental responsibility'

It really is.  As a parent, you can easily install a range of site-blocking software, just like you can set the parental locks on channels on the television.  That's restricting access to the potentially vulnerable children and not impinging on anyone else's freedoms.

If there are disreputable or irresponsible parents who won't supervise their children do you think they'll lock away their credit cards to prevent their kids signing on anyway?

Most of the social media networks have a minimum age confirmation to create an account, and innumerable parents bypass it, but I don't see anyone suggesting we ban social media, despite the obvious damage that it can do to vulnerable people.  The computer games industry posts recommended age limits for its games, which are virtually ignored, and we only have a fringe suggesting we ban certain computer games, despite a wealth of evidence showing there is limited if any effect.

O.

[Nearly Sane]

It really is.  As a parent, you can easily install a range of site-blocking software, just like you can set the parental locks on channels on the television.  That's restricting access to the potentially vulnerable children and not impinging on anyone else's freedoms.

If there are disreputable or irresponsible parents who won't supervise their children do you think they'll lock away their credit cards to prevent their kids signing on anyway?

Most of the social media networks have a minimum age confirmation to create an account, and innumerable parents bypass it, but I don't see anyone suggesting we ban social media, despite the obvious damage that it can do to vulnerable people.  The computer games industry posts recommended age limits for its games, which are virtually ignored, and we only have a fringe suggesting we ban certain computer games, despite a wealth of evidence showing there is limited if any effect.

O.

I have made clear that I don't support the govt's previous position. And given there are parents who for whatever reason may not supervise their kids effectively, then parental responsibility won't work for those kids. There may be some parents who allow their children to drink excessively - doesn't mean we shouldn't have a minimum age for alcohol purchase.

[Roses]

I am so very grateful our children were young in the days before the Internet and mobile phones. My husband and I would have been checking up on their usage all the time.

[Outrider]

I have made clear that I don't support the govt's previous position. And given there are parents who for whatever reason may not supervise their kids effectively, then parental responsibility won't work for those kids. There may be some parents who allow their children to drink excessively - doesn't mean we shouldn't have a minimum age for alcohol purchase.

Minimum pricing for alcohol is appropriate because it reflects the damage done to the public finance by all levels of drinking.  Pornography is not inherently damaging - there might be an argument that the nature of some pornography is damaging, but the appropriate response to that is to prohibit the distribution of that pornography if you can demonstrate to a satisfactory level that it's actively harmful in all cases.

There are parents who don't adequately supervise and bring up their children - perhaps, rather than policing law-abiding people's pornography we should be policing those parents?

O.

[Nearly Sane]

Minimum pricing for alcohol is appropriate because it reflects the damage done to the public finance by all levels of drinking.  Pornography is not inherently damaging - there might be an argument that the nature of some pornography is damaging, but the appropriate response to that is to prohibit the distribution of that pornography if you can demonstrate to a satisfactory level that it's actively harmful in all cases.

There are parents who don't adequately supervise and bring up their children - perhaps, rather than policing law-abiding people's pornography we should be policing those parents?

O.

I didn't mention minimum pricing but minimum age for buying.

As I mentioned in an earlier post I think that this might be more a matter of education rather than 'policing'. I suspect it's not just 'disreputable or irresponsible' parents here but also ones that don't understand what's out there or how easy it is to access.

[Walter]

if you look on 'similarweb' web site ranking, porn is at number 7 , only topped by social media sites .

interesting, hmm?