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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2019, 08:00:07 AM »
Least bad, they mean. Musicals are opera for stupid people.
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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2019, 08:19:41 AM »
Least bad, they mean. Musicals are opera for stupid people.

Whereas opera is musicals for pretentious people, presumably?

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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2019, 08:30:23 AM »
Least bad, they mean. Musicals are opera for stupid people.

As are sweeping generalisations. You seem to be channelling your inner stupid in that post.
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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2019, 08:35:12 AM »
Whereas opera is musicals for pretentious people, presumably?

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Yes. I'm not keen on either.
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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2019, 08:37:58 AM »
At least according to the BFI



https://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/lists/best-musical-every-year?utm_content=buffer65d54&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebookbfi&utm_campaign=buffer&fbclid=IwAR3KFD9fJdzeYjYK3A-9QS9IRnZh4jV1uZaIiWLZfBPL79qYaZu6p1mnKjI
Somewhat weird selection - largely because they are films, rather than musicals which I'd have considered to be theatre productions.

So it includes many of the Disney films, which certainly include musical numbers but musicals?!?

Also The Wicker Man - a musical - who knew :o

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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2019, 09:25:25 AM »
Yes. I'm not keen on either.

I correct myself. Channelling your inner Floo.
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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2019, 09:30:28 AM »
Somewhat weird selection - largely because they are films, rather than musicals which I'd have considered to be theatre productions.

So it includes many of the Disney films, which certainly include musical numbers but musicals?!?

Also The Wicker Man - a musical - who knew :o
The Wicker Man is certainly an oddity. I mean I know there is music in it and one particular scene with singing was etched in my memory as an adolescent, but can't see it myself.

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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2019, 09:37:16 AM »
I am going to see one of the listed films at the cinema on Monday, A Star is Born, which contains one of the great performances of a song in The Man That Got Away.

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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2019, 09:47:14 AM »
Least bad, they mean. Musicals are opera for stupid people.

If they ever get around to making 'Moaning in the Rain' I'll bet you'd love it, Steve  :)

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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2019, 10:03:07 AM »
If they ever get around to making 'Moaning in the Rain' I'll bet you'd love it, Steve  :)

I find it quite odd this dismissal of art forms so easily. The dismissal seems to be based on nothing more than personal preference.

I, myself, am not that keen on opera or for that matter, hip hop, but I wouldn't dismiss people as stupid based on my personal preferences. I am aware that some people who are far from stupid like, indeed love opera.

My old music teacher, a wise man called Mr Neaum, said you couldn't categorise classical music as heavyweight and therefore good, and pop(ular) music as lightweight and therefore less good. He thought all forms of music had their place, and that to be sure there is good and bad within each form, but that on a matter so subjective as music it is sensible not to categorise, or even judge, rigidly.

He didn't like much pop music, but thought that "Jambalaya" by The Carpenters was magnificent. I never quite understood that, as it is in my mind one of their weaker tracks, but doesn't that just go to prove his point.
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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2019, 10:12:42 AM »
I am going to see one of the listed films at the cinema on Monday, A Star is Born, which contains one of the great performances of a song in The Man That Got Away.

That one performance totally disproves the idiotic thoughts expressed earlier in the thread. Wish I'd thought of that instead of wittering on.  :(
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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2019, 10:15:22 AM »
I know that some people find the idea of people suddenly bursting into song odd but all drama is odd in some sense. One of the most joyous things I have ever attended was a singalong Calamity Jane.

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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2019, 10:16:55 AM »
I find - and it's a personal taste thing - that musical works for children's films, but I'm just not a fan of it in works for grown ups.  Mary Poppins is one of my all-time favourites, but I just can't get enthused by West Side Story, Grease, Lala Land, A Star is Born... not my thing, I guess.

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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2019, 10:23:21 AM »
I find - and it's a personal taste thing - that musical works for children's films, but I'm just not a fan of it in works for grown ups.  Mary Poppins is one of my all-time favourites, but I just can't get enthused by West Side Story, Grease, Lala Land, A Star is Born... not my thing, I guess.

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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2019, 11:27:49 AM »
I love the 1930/40's musicals best: but then I like the music of that era anyway, and no matter how contrived it all is what isn't to love about Fred and Judy doing 'We're a couple of swells' etc etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3aUAiLU0TI

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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2019, 11:59:18 AM »
Where's the Rocky Horror Show....?
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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2019, 12:12:59 PM »
I find - and it's a personal taste thing - that musical works for children's films, but I'm just not a fan of it in works for grown ups.  Mary Poppins is one of my all-time favourites, but I just can't get enthused by West Side Story, Grease, Lala Land, A Star is Born... not my thing, I guess.

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Likewise I'm not really a fan of musicals, or for that matter, opera. I have a innate gut reaction when people who are performing a dram suddenly burst into song. For me the more serious and dramatic the topic the less I get it, so my favourite musicals are those that are the most 'song and dance' type.

I also think that if you are going to write a musical then the music should be memorable in its own right. Certainly many of the musicals of the 50s and 60s are littered with memorable songs that have become hits in their right. So even if I've never actually watched West Side Story, South Pacific or the Sound of Music as musicals (which I think is the case) I'm still really familiar with 'America', 'Wash that man right out of your hair' and 'Doh, ray, me' etc.

But more recently - not so much. I've not seen Les Miserables, or Miss Saigon or Starlight Express (to name 3 blockbuster musicals) either, but I don't think I know a single song from them.

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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2019, 12:59:42 PM »
Where's the Rocky Horror Show....?
Lost out to Tommy it would appear. Not sure how I feel about that

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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2019, 01:02:24 PM »
try this one , I'm in love (again)

https://youtu.be/Z84F0FIKJio

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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2019, 01:27:40 PM »
I correct myself. Channelling your inner Floo.
I "have a dislike for" musicals, and I'm uninterested in opera, but wouldn't say I dislike it. I don't think that puts me in in LR's dislike-league.
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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2019, 03:05:31 PM »
try this one , I'm in love (again)

https://youtu.be/Z84F0FIKJio

It's quite clever how those mashups are put together.  Here's another... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1F0lBnsnkE

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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2019, 03:15:38 PM »
I "have a dislike for" musicals, and I'm uninterested in opera, but wouldn't say I dislike it. I don't think that puts me in in LR's dislike-league.

That's ok. But would you agree that to dismiss all people who like musicals as stupid, is, well, perhaps a bit fucking thick.
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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2019, 08:13:14 PM »
If they ever get around to making 'Moaning in the Rain' I'll bet you'd love it, Steve  :)

I haven't seen Steve but can't imagine him charging around a stage, leaping in the air, waving his arms and singing gayly.

Where's the Rocky Horror Show....?

Quite!

NS, I flinch at the thought of 'The Wicker Man' as a musical. I was traumatised watching the old film on television years ago.
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Re: The best musical each year...
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2019, 08:20:21 PM »
I haven't seen Steve but can't imagine him charging around a stage, leaping in the air, waving his arms and singing gayly.

Quite!

NS, I flinch at the thought of 'The Wicker Man' as a musical. I was traumatised watching the old film on television years ago.

I think it's more that Steve will cycle round the stage, fall to his knees, turn his palms up, and groan drearily.
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