More on the crimes of Catholic priests!

[Robbie]

Agree with Steveh & NS.

[ippy]

Heavy sarcasm rarely improves an argument.

You may well be right Steve, even so which part of my post about the Catholic church wasn't true and those two things didn't include any reference to their, proven, worldwide penchant for wholesale child abuse, you could say the Catholic church as an organisation is very slightly unwholesome or maybe that's stretching it a bit do you think? 

Regards, ippy.

P S  Look this up on YouTube: 'Hitchens Eviscerates the Catholic Church' and make up your own minds, he's notorious for his accuracy.

[Robbie]

We've all read & heard Hitchens ippy.

Far better to read, digest, talk to people, find things out for yourself and then present your own well thought out conclusions based on in-depth research. Or not bother at all.

[ippy]

We've all read & heard Hitchens ippy.

Far better to read, digest, talk to people, find things out for yourself and then present your own well thought out conclusions based on in-depth research. Or not bother at all.

OK Robbie, you say we've all read and heard Hitchens, what part of his dismemberment of Catholicism he came out with at the debate about, 'Is the Catholic Church a Force for Good In the World', had he got wrong or where, in what part of the things he was saying was he just plainly making things up about the Catholics?

Regards, ippy.

[ProfessorDavey]

I see that the RCC are refusing to report sexual abuse of children if revealed during confession.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/08/priests-would-rather-die-break-seal-confession-cardinal-nichols/

UK law requires every person, in whatever walk of life, to report allegations of sexual abuse of children to the authorities. This is a positive obligation - you must report it, rather than for most crimes where there is no obligation to pro-actively report, although you mustn't frustrate the police if you are asked about a crime.

So in effect the RCC are sanctioning breaking the law in order to hide child sex abuse from the authorities and pervert the course of justice.

[Nearly Sane]

I see that the RCC are refusing to report sexual abuse of children if revealed during confession.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/08/priests-would-rather-die-break-seal-confession-cardinal-nichols/

UK law requires every person, in whatever walk of life, to report allegations of sexual abuse of children to the authorities. This is a positive obligation - you must report it, rather than for most crimes where there is no obligation to pro-actively report, although you mustn't frustrate the police if you are asked about a crime.

So in effect the RCC are sanctioning breaking the law in order to hide child sex abuse from the authorities and pervert the course of justice.

'UK law requires every person, in whatever walk of life' I know the idea was discussed but my memory was that it was dropped and there remains only a duty on certain individuals and organisations?

[Roses]

'UK law requires every person, in whatever walk of life' I know the idea was discussed but my memory was that it was dropped and there remains only a duty on certain individuals and organisations?

When I was discussing the topic with our vicar daughter, she seemed to think that it was illegal for anyone, including priests, to withhold information about any serious crime, including paedophile priests.

[Nearly Sane]

When I was discussing the topic with our vicar daughter, she seemed to think that it was illegal for anyone, including priests, to withhold information about any serious crime, including paedophile priests.

Definitely not any serious crime. and for child abuse only on the basis of their employment

https://childlawadvice.org.uk/information-pages/child-abuse/

[jeremyp]

You appear very confused about the tu quoque. I wasn't suggesting that because other institutions had done similar that it mitigates in any way the disgraceful approach of the RCC but challenging the claim that they have behaved uniquely badly - which they may have done - and stand apart from any other institutions in their approach.

But they are uniquely bad for the reasons I stated.

[Dicky Underpants]

I admire the noble start of the RC church where the main source of financing the Vatican with all of its elaborate, fabulous works of art and buildings was from their sale of indulgences when they would issue a get out of purgatory certificates for various amounts of time after you die and the amount of time that they, the RCC, would grant you depended on how much you paid for these certificates.

I can't help admiring the outstanding ethical and moral example the RCC gave to the world with the issuing of these certificates, what a wonderful organisation. 

Regards, ippy.

Well, at least the RCC eventually gave up on the sale of indulgences, once their bluff was called. Okay, it took till the 16th century for it to do so, probably because of the influence of Martin Luther and the Reformation. It might be argued that the latter was a mixed blessing, since it came along with the "Bible Only" doctrine, which in turn led to the barmy army of American fundamentalists of our day who are so influential in presidential elections (to name but one of the horrors they contribute massively to). Child abuse is of course rife in the "Bible Only" brigade (the Jehovah's Witnesses have an appalling record in this). Not to mention utter hypocrisy in regard to all kinds of sexual behaviour, which such fundi groups publicly condemn, whilst indulging in to excess in their private lives*.

It could be argued that in other respects The Reformation set social progress back several hundred years, since the "Bible Only" brigade were initially more anti-science than the Catholics were - but that's another argument.

*Check out the Reverend Ted Haggard, who had a notorious confrontation with Richard Dawkins. I don't know which is the more contemptible - Haggard's anti-evolution beliefs or his utter sexual hypocrisy (at least the latter might cause some amusement, and I certainly can't avoid a degree of Schadenfreude).

P.S. checking out the YouTube video of the above, someone has commented of Haggard's appearance "Lips made for meth pipes and fellatio".

[Steve H]

You may well be right Steve, even so which part of my post about the Catholic church wasn't true and those two things didn't include any reference to their, proven, worldwide penchant for wholesale child abuse, you could say the Catholic church as an organisation is very slightly unwholesome or maybe that's stretching it a bit do you think? 

Regards, ippy.

P S  Look this up on YouTube: 'Hitchens Eviscerates the Catholic Church' and make up your own minds, he's notorious for his accuracy.

Hitchens was a tiresome twat: I'm instinctively inclined to think more kindly of anyone or any institution he attacked. (His brother Peter is even more of a twat.)

[Walter]

Hitchens was a tiresome twat: I'm instinctively inclined to think more kindly of anyone or any institution he attacked. (His brother Peter is even more of a twat.)

Steve H

I love to see you triggered , and the responses you give to things you don't like .
I bet you've got no teddies left in your pram now !
It's so amusing  hahaha 😂