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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #675 on: April 12, 2020, 11:24:40 AM »
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It is your posts that are offensive when your describe the Biblical god as good! >:(
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #676 on: April 12, 2020, 11:30:39 AM »
You are having a 'larf'! ::)

Trouble is L R, these people actually do really believe this completely unsupportable load of old bronze age nonsense?

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #677 on: April 12, 2020, 11:35:31 AM »
Trouble is L R, these people actually do really believe this completely unsupportable load of old bronze age nonsense?

Regards, ippy.


Sadly that is very true. :o
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #678 on: April 12, 2020, 07:42:55 PM »
It is your posts that are offensive when your describe the Biblical god as good! >:(
Let's be clear. I don't get satisfaction from the idea of God punishing sin with death. Secondly, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that God enjoys or likes people suffering. Thirdly, are you saying that God is not good even though he created the plants from which you get food, the sun that keeps you warm and all the flowers and birds in your garden?

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #679 on: April 12, 2020, 08:07:42 PM »
Let's be clear. I don't get satisfaction from the idea of God punishing sin with death. Secondly, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that God enjoys or likes people suffering. Thirdly, are you saying that God is not good even though he created the plants from which you get food, the sun that keeps you warm and all the flowers and birds in your garden?
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #680 on: April 13, 2020, 11:29:29 AM »

Ultimately, God used Satan to demonstrate fully his character and the extent of his love for us.


And how, precisely and in detail, does this justify God giving cancer to unborn children?

To punish the parents for their sins?

If this is the case your God is an unmitigated, sadistic, bastard making a child suffer for the sins of the parents!

The Holy Bible, probably the most diabolical work of fiction ever to be visited upon mankind.

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #681 on: April 13, 2020, 11:41:36 AM »

Let's be clear. I don't get satisfaction from the idea of God punishing sin with death. Secondly, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that God enjoys or likes people suffering. Thirdly, are you saying that God is not good even though he created the plants from which you get food, the sun that keeps you warm and all the flowers and birds in your garden?


You "don't get satisfaction" from it but you condone it with every word you say/write/type in support of the sadistic old bastard!

If he didn't and doesn't enjoy doing it, why is he still doing it 2,000+ years down the line?

That's it, the entire Christian ethic, praise Him for the good things and ignore and deny the bad!

What a load of bullshit! Bullshit swallowed by the majority of Christians without a word of complaint!

You are pathetic!
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #682 on: April 13, 2020, 12:08:42 PM »
Let's be clear. I don't get satisfaction from the idea of God punishing sin with death. Secondly, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that God enjoys or likes people suffering. Thirdly, are you saying that God is not good even though he created the plants from which you get food, the sun that keeps you warm and all the flowers and birds in your garden?

There is no evidence god exists, let alone did any of those things. But if it was responsible for all creation it created human nature, which has a bad side as well as a good, therefore god is responsible for all the evil in the world. >:( 
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #683 on: April 13, 2020, 12:30:28 PM »
Let's be clear. I don't get satisfaction from the idea of God punishing sin with death. Secondly, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that God enjoys or likes people suffering. Thirdly, are you saying that God is not good even though he created the plants from which you get food, the sun that keeps you warm and all the flowers and birds in your garden?

With apologies to Monty python:

All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom.
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid--
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!

All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.

Amen.
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #684 on: April 13, 2020, 01:33:19 PM »
With apologies to Monty python:

All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom.
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid--
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!

All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.

Amen.

That would appear to be the case if the Biblical god exists.
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #685 on: April 13, 2020, 03:54:59 PM »
And how, precisely and in detail, does this justify God giving cancer to unborn children?

To punish the parents for their sins?

If this is the case your God is an unmitigated, sadistic, bastard making a child suffer for the sins of the parents!

We are all descendants of Adam and Eve, and we all, including unborn children, share in the consequence of their choice. They were denied access to the tree of life, and so they and we experience suffering which results in death. We also make choices that have the potential to cause suffering: a woman who smokes during pregnancy, for example.

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #686 on: April 13, 2020, 04:40:58 PM »
We are all descendants of Adam and Eve, and we all, including unborn children, share in the consequence of their choice. They were denied access to the tree of life, and so they and we experience suffering which results in death. We also make choices that have the potential to cause suffering: a woman who smokes during pregnancy, for example.

There is not one shred of evidence Adam and Eve actually existed.
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #687 on: April 13, 2020, 05:35:23 PM »
We are all descendants of Adam and Eve, and we all, including unborn children, share in the consequence of their choice. They were denied access to the tree of life, and so they and we experience suffering which results in death.

Which all by itself shows that your god, if it existed, would be an unjust and unfair monster.
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #688 on: April 13, 2020, 05:56:14 PM »
We are all descendants of Adam and Eve, and we all, including unborn children, share in the consequence of their choice. They were denied access to the tree of life, and so they and we experience suffering which results in death. We also make choices that have the potential to cause suffering: a woman who smokes during pregnancy, for example.

Thank goodness I have never felt the need to worship such a gruesome deity. You're welcome to it!
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #689 on: April 13, 2020, 09:11:15 PM »

We are all descendants of Adam and Eve, and we all, including unborn children, share in the consequence of their choice. They were denied access to the tree of life, and so they and we experience suffering which results in death. We also make choices that have the potential to cause suffering: a woman who smokes during pregnancy, for example.


You are truly pathetic!
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #690 on: April 14, 2020, 04:00:36 AM »
People in the world are dying and you can only insult others beliefs... The bigots it appears are right here on this thread. Those who insult the Christian God do make themselves as bad as any other bigot. I bet you all feel proud of yourselves. Tell me how does it feel to know you are as bad as any other bigot. Even they believe their beliefs given them right to insult others. Nah you cannot blame God for mans own ugly characteristics.
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #691 on: April 14, 2020, 08:26:03 AM »
People in the world are dying and you can only insult others beliefs... The bigots it appears are right here on this thread. Those who insult the Christian God do make themselves as bad as any other bigot. I bet you all feel proud of yourselves. Tell me how does it feel to know you are as bad as any other bigot. Even they believe their beliefs given them right to insult others. Nah you cannot blame God for mans own ugly characteristics.

You say the silliest things. ::)

Of course one can blame god if it supposedly created everything including human nature!
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #692 on: April 14, 2020, 09:21:51 AM »
Do you really believe that eating shellfish is high temperatures is healthy?

It wasn't given as health advice, it was reported as a moral failing.

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As for haircuts why did Samson live at a time when he was not allowed to cut his hair or where did his strength come from if it went when hair cut?

Samson was allowed to cut his hair, but he took an oath as a Nazirite which included a restriction on cutting his hair, but that's not really relevant to what I was asking.

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Keeping slaves was something man did and raping has never been allowed.

Eating shellfish, mixing crops and being gay were things men did, but the God saw fit to explicitly speak out against those.  Rape wasn't just allowed it was actively sanctioned in the form of taking the unmarried women from defeated lands and forcing them into marriages.

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What is sin?

It's a made up parallel immorality score to justify religious interference in individual freedom.

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God hated human sacrifices they sacrificed their children.

God hated human sacrifice, which is why we have Jesus?  God hated human sacrifice which is why he drowned the entire world except on drunkard and his close family?

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Do you not see how people were at that time.

Fundamentally, like us but with more supersitions.

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Immorality or immoral  = not conforming to accepted standards of morality. So given that is comes from not conforming to accepted standards of Morality then humans had already decided what the standards were.

Yes, but the point is that there isn't very much that's of a moral foundation in the precepts handed over by, particularly the Old Testament depiction of, God.

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Do you conform to the 10 commandments and were they for everyone when given?

Some of them, but not because of them, and no they weren't given for everyone, they were given explicitly for the Jews.

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So we are accepting that the concept of sin and morality can only be observed and accepted by the standards you adopt.

You're falsely equating sin and morality here - morality is a system based upon one of a number of rational or sentimental systems; sin is the breach of a number of apparently arbitrary rules with no evident moral basis whatsoever.

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We have to ask do you get what you write from what you read or by studying the bible.

Amongst other sources, yes.

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Do you believe any of the 10 commandments to be acceptable and if so, which? If there are some you do not find acceptable then post and explain why.

"I am the lord thy god, thou shalt have no other gods before me" - I don't believe in any gods, but it does seem strange that a monotheistic deity would be worried about other gods?
"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain" - I'm an advocate for freedom of speech, but I can understand the basis of this, at least.
"Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day" - well, the very concept of 'holy' is fundamentally troublesome for me, but I do think that purely from a personal wellbeing point of view we all need at least one day of the week which we can use to rest and recharge.
"Honour thy father and mother." - as a general precept not too bad, presuming that it's understood there are implicit qualifiers (some parents don't merit honouring) but it lacks the counterpoint that parents should equally honour their children who are also individuals worthy of respect for their individuality and selves.
"Thou shalt not kill" - in the original this is, I've heard, better interpreted as 'thou shalt not murder' which is easier to accept.  I think killing should, in the main, be avoided, but I think it's sometimes necessary.
"Thou shalt not commit adultery" - depends on the interpreration; if adultery is any sex outside of a wedded couple (as I have seen it interpreted) then that just robs individuals of their freedom to choose their own lives, but if the principle is to not compromise on promises you make to the special people in your life then I'm fine with that.
"Thou shalt not steal" - seems reasonable.
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" - again, depends on interpretation; some people see this as an absolute prohibition on lying, which is not just unrealistic but fails to appreciate that some of those little white lies are necessary, but again the general principle of an expectation of good faith is fine.
"Thou shalt not covet they neighbour's wife" - this is just not possible to comply with.  Who we find attractive isn't something that we can control; what we do about it is, of course, but this is trying to make instinctive feelings into something somehow criminal.
"Thou shalt not covet they neighbour's goods" - as above, whether we want things or not isn't something that we can control, we can only control what we do about it.

Of course, this neatly bypasses the more problematic 'commandments' that aren't part of the traditional ten, but which are still there.  Modern Christianity's ongoing issues with homosexuality aren't any sort of issue in light of the Ten Commandments, slavery isn't a problem according to the Ten Commandments (although you mustn't be jealous of your neighbour having more slaves than you, that's sinful...)

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #693 on: April 14, 2020, 06:54:37 PM »
People in the world are dying and you can only insult others beliefs... The bigots it appears are right here on this thread. Those who insult the Christian God do make themselves as bad as any other bigot. I bet you all feel proud of yourselves. Tell me how does it feel to know you are as bad as any other bigot. Even they believe their beliefs given them right to insult others. Nah you cannot blame God for mans own ugly characteristics.
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #694 on: April 14, 2020, 08:08:21 PM »
[Not eating shellfish] wasn't given as health advice, it was reported as a moral failing.
The reason given is that shellfish don't have fins or scales, so they are more likely to pick up some disease and transmit it to a person - like a vulture, which is also in the list. That's how I understand it anyway. Because of this, God said, 'they shall be unclean for you'. This wording points to the understanding that their prohibition was for symbolic reasons. Like how a male old lamb had to be unblemished to be acceptable for sacrifice.

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #695 on: April 14, 2020, 08:33:03 PM »
Which all by itself shows that your god, if it existed, would be an unjust and unfair monster.
Do you mean that he is unjust and unfair because he doesn't let us eat from the tree of life? Seems a reasonable consequence to me.

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #696 on: April 14, 2020, 08:39:22 PM »
Do you mean that he is unjust and unfair because he doesn't let us eat from the tree of life? Seems a reasonable consequence to me.
Because it doesn't like knowledge and then when it is gained by some visits vengeance and pain on their children? Yep he's  an unjust unfair prick. You think it's reasonable that women suffer extreme pain in childbirth because of a planned event by your god? You worship a god of death, blood and evil.

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #697 on: April 14, 2020, 08:47:47 PM »
Do you mean that he is unjust and unfair because he doesn't let us eat from the tree of life? Seems a reasonable consequence to me.

I mean that, if the silly Adam and Eve story was true, and your god made all their decedents pay for what they did, that is unjust and unfair. You and me didn't choose to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thus disobeying the god character, did we? Mind you, how A&E were supposed to know that disobeying was wrong before they had knowledge of good and evil is yet another bizarre twist in the idiotic myth.

Your god, if it existed, would be punishing us for being the beings it made us. If we are all sinners in your story, that's because your omnipotent and omniscient god made us sinners. If it were a fair test, some of us wouldn't be sinners and wouldn't need "saving".
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #698 on: April 14, 2020, 09:02:20 PM »
Because it doesn't like knowledge and then when it is gained by some visits vengeance and pain on their children? Yep he's  an unjust unfair prick. You think it's reasonable that women suffer extreme pain in childbirth because of a planned event by your god? You worship a god of death, blood and evil.

Pain in general is useful, as it tells us something is wrong. The pain of childbirth is a reminder, like the pain of thorns and thistles.
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #699 on: April 14, 2020, 09:10:19 PM »
Pain in general is useful, as it tells us something is wrong. The pain of childbirth is a reminder, like the pain of thorns and thistles.
https://www.gotquestions.org/pain-in-childbirth.html

Saying we are not responsible for doing wrong is like a child who is punished telling his parents if they knew he would be naughty they shouldn't have had him.
You worship torture and pain.