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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1375 on: May 20, 2020, 12:14:56 PM »
Spud

You do realise that every post that you make on this thread makes you look more and more like a brainwashed idiot who talks (writes) like a parrot that has learned the words but has abso-bloody-lutely no comprehension of what thoser words actually mean in terms of emotion and human love and interaction!

You would do well to hive yourself off to the nearest closed monastic-community and restrict your sexual ideas to solitary and hidden masturbation, I have absolutely no wish to see you procreate and brainwash your children with the sane load of old bollocks that you peddle here.

I sometimes wonder why the God you worship and kow-tow to bothered to give his followers brains capable of logical reasoning or. alternatively, why you appear to be incapable of such reasoning.

Hi Owlswing,

If you look back on this thread Spud spent quite some time defending genocide and slavery when his "God" does it or condones it.  Trying to justify the unjustifiable is his speciality.

As far as I'm concerned the immorality of many parts of the Bible is well demonstrated by every post he makes.  I'm glad others are still challenging his nonsensical ideas.  I find them disturbing.

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1376 on: May 20, 2020, 12:33:53 PM »
Christian religious extremists, like Spud, claim their god approves of their highly unpleasant bigotry. I have come across so many of them over the years on different forums, they sicken me, hence the title of this thread.
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1377 on: May 20, 2020, 01:06:41 PM »

Hi Owlswing,

If you look back on this thread Spud spent quite some time defending genocide and slavery when his "God" does it or condones it.  Trying to justify the unjustifiable is his speciality.

As far as I'm concerned the immorality of many parts of the Bible is well demonstrated by every post he makes.  I'm glad others are still challenging his nonsensical ideas.  I find them disturbing.


What disturbs me most are the millions who agree with the load of old bol - - , rubbish that Spud preaches.

I am not sure that some of his posts do not constitute a hate crime!

It is about time that such indoctrination of children be decalared illegal. those not of the Christian persuasion outnumber those of it considerably and a referendum on the subject might provide some interesting discussions on this Forum, especialy on how many of the other religions practised in the UK banded together with the Christians.

All in all I think that Spud had been a living demonstration of the actuality of the thread title!

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1378 on: May 20, 2020, 02:45:42 PM »
Perhaps a lot of that can be described as foreplay? Touch, along with sight, sound, smell, are all good things.
I'm not saying they should, however, I think they do better if they do restrict it to that, because otherwise it becomes more about lust than about love.
It follows because it gives a clue as to what is the best form for it to take.
The issue was not about what is penetrating what, but about behaving in accordance with one's sex (gender). Which shelf a book in a library is kept on will depend on its category, in order to enable customers to find what they are looking for. Keeping it on a different category shelf defeats the object of having a library. So if two men or two women kiss in public or on TV, they are creating disorder. People watching expect men to kiss women.
The problem is that even if the setting is private, the effects spill out into society. The goal of society is to work towards and maintain order, so it helps if men and women act like what they are.
Most of this I have answered. I am arguing without referring to God or the Bible. I don't think anyone should be ostracized, but people have to be able to say if they think something is wrong. And of course everyone has to remember the plank in their own eye before telling their brother about the speck in his  eye.
Clearly men who are not attracted to women but are attracted to men exist. And similarly women who are not attracted to men but are attracted to women exist. The sexual attraction or lack of it towards a particular sex clearly does not conform to the "ordered" way you would prefer it.

If the goal of society is to work towards and maintain order, and the majority of society seems to have the opinion that more order is created and maintained by society accepting that people should be with the people they are attracted to rather than people they feel no attraction for, what is your solution to you perceiving order differently from the majority of the society you live in?

In a liberal democracy like the UK, a minority cannot maintain social order without the consent of the majority.
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1379 on: May 20, 2020, 04:00:53 PM »
Spud

You do realise that every post that you make on this thread makes you look more and more like a brainwashed idiot who talks (writes) like a parrot that has learned the words but has abso-bloody-lutely no comprehension of what thoser words actually mean in terms of emotion and human love and interaction!

You would do well to hive yourself off to the nearest closed monastic-community and restrict your sexual ideas to solitary and hidden masturbation, I have absolutely no wish to see you procreate and brainwash your children with the sane load of old bollocks that you peddle here.

I sometimes wonder why the God you worship and kow-tow to bothered to give his followers brains capable of logical reasoning or. alternatively, why you appear to be incapable of such reasoning.
Mouth foaming paganism at it's most entertaining.

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1380 on: May 20, 2020, 04:08:15 PM »
Mouth foaming paganism at it's most entertaining.
Your usual running interference for homophobia

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1381 on: May 20, 2020, 04:11:23 PM »
Mouth foaming paganism at it's most entertaining.
Wonder what Owlswing's reaction would be to someone posting the following to a gay poster on here:

"You would do well to hive yourself off to the nearest closed monastic-community and restrict your sexual ideas to solitary and hidden masturbation, I have absolutely no wish to see you brainwash your children with the sane load of old bollocks that you peddle here."

I identify as a Sword because I have abstract social constructs e.g. honour and patriotism. My preferred pronouns are "kill/ maim/ dismember"

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1382 on: May 20, 2020, 04:19:52 PM »
Your usual running interference for homophobia
Thank you ,weaponiser in chief.

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1383 on: May 20, 2020, 04:20:15 PM »
Wonder what Owlswing's reaction would be to someone posting the following to a gay poster on here:

"You would do well to hive yourself off to the nearest closed monastic-community and restrict your sexual ideas to solitary and hidden masturbation, I have absolutely no wish to see you brainwash your children with the sane load of old bollocks that you peddle here."
I don't think there is a clear equivalence. One, Owlswing's comment  is the equivalent of talking about a racist. Your change would apply to someone talking about someone being black.

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« Reply #1384 on: May 20, 2020, 04:21:28 PM »
Thank you ,weaponiser in chief.
You will be able to back that up with a quote?

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1385 on: May 20, 2020, 04:26:39 PM »
What disturbs me most are the millions who agree with the load of old bol - - , rubbish that Spud preaches.

I am not sure that some of his posts do not costiturte a hate crime!

It is about time that such indoctrination of children be decalared illegal. those not of the Christian persuasion outnumber those of it considerably and a referendum on the subject might provide some interesting discussions on this Forum, especialy on how many of the other religions practised in the UK banded together with the Christians.

All in all I think that Spud had been a living demonstration of the actuality of the thread title!
I would vote against making the loving upbringing my mother gave me being made criminal. I find your suggestion deeply scary.

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1386 on: May 20, 2020, 04:46:49 PM »
It is acceptable for a parent to share their religious belief which their children, letting them make up their own minds about whether they wish to take it on board or not. Forcing it on children with threats of hell and damnation if they don't believe, is definitely not on.
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1387 on: May 20, 2020, 04:47:53 PM »
I don't think there is a clear equivalence. One, Owlswing's comment  is the equivalent of talking about a racist. Your change would apply to someone talking about someone being black.
I agree no clear equivalence. It is hard to take Owlswing's post seriously though, as I wondered what this forum would become if everyone decided to write posts like that to each other when they disagreed with someone over values or behaviour.

I think this forum works better by arguing the merits of the points being debated, rather than telling someone they should hide themselves away and not procreate because their ideas are out of step with current thinking.

 

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1388 on: May 20, 2020, 04:50:37 PM »
I agree no clear equivalence. It is hard to take Owlswing's post seriously though, as I wondered what this forum would become if everyone decided to write posts like that to each other when they disagreed with someone over values or behaviour.

I think this forum works better by arguing the merits of the points being debated, rather than telling someone they should hide themselves away and not procreate because their ideas are out of step with current thinking.

If their views are very extreme it would definitely be better if they didn't procreate, imo.
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1389 on: May 20, 2020, 04:59:03 PM »
I agree no clear equivalence. It is hard to take Owlswing's post seriously though, as I wondered what this forum would become if everyone decided to write posts like that to each other when they disagreed with someone over values or behaviour.

I think this forum works better by arguing the merits of the points being debated, rather than telling someone they should hide themselves away and not procreate because their ideas are out of step with current thinking.
I think the forum provides a number of different functions. If people want to let of some steam, while obeying the rules that seems reasonable.

The idea that we are or could be just arguing without emotion doesn't seem possible to me.

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« Reply #1390 on: May 20, 2020, 05:00:16 PM »
If their views are very extreme it would definitely be better if they didn't procreate, imo.
The idea of controlling people's procreation because of their views is frightening.

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1391 on: May 20, 2020, 05:08:23 PM »
If their views are very extreme it would definitely be better if they didn't procreate, imo.
Quite possibly there might be lots of people who others think it would be better if they did not procreate because they do not like their ideas. I just don't think this forum would work very well if our posts told people they should not procreate because we disagree with their ideas. Why not just try to change the idea and why assume that children will not change the minds of their parents?

It's hard for me to take that kind of a comment seriously when expressed in an ethics debate, which is usually about arguing the merits of a subject or idea, which that comment clearly doesn't. 

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1392 on: May 20, 2020, 05:12:12 PM »
The idea of controlling people's procreation because of their views is frightening.

So you think members of ISIS, for example, who are so extreme they are out of sight, should procreate and no doubt encourage their offspring to be extremists too?
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1393 on: May 20, 2020, 05:13:40 PM »
I think the forum provides a number of different functions. If people want to let of some steam, while obeying the rules that seems reasonable.

The idea that we are or could be just arguing without emotion doesn't seem possible to me.
Oh sure - I agree the forum provides different functions and it's reasonable to let off steam.

Everyone is different in their style of arguing and it's good to have a mix of styles.
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1394 on: May 20, 2020, 05:18:29 PM »
So you think members of ISIS, for example, who are so extreme they are out of sight, should procreate and no doubt encourage their offspring to be extremists too?
I think restricting people procreating  solely on the basis of  those views is out of sight extreme but I support your right to procreate.

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1395 on: May 20, 2020, 05:19:23 PM »
So you think members of ISIS, for example, who are so extreme they are out of sight, should procreate and no doubt encourage their offspring to be extremists too?
Was that the argument for not letting Shamima Begum and her baby back into this country? Which side of that debate you come down on probably in part depends on if you think people can be persuaded to change their ideas or not. Presumably you think people are open to persuasion otherwise you would not be worried about ideas being passed on?
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1396 on: May 20, 2020, 05:23:39 PM »
Was that the argument for not letting Shamima Begum and her baby back into this country? Which side of that debate you come down on probably in part depends on if you think people can be persuaded to change their ideas or not. Presumably you think people are open to persuasion otherwise you would not be worried about ideas being passed on?

I wouldn't let that woman back into the country. It is not likely she has changed her views, even if she pretends she has, and she could be dangerous.
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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1397 on: May 20, 2020, 05:24:13 PM »

Mouth foaming paganism at it's most entertaining.


If you knew the first thing about Paganism you would know that you are talking total complere and utter bollocks - but from you, regardless of the subject, that is no surprise whatsoever!

The Holy Bible, probably the most diabolical work of fiction ever to be visited upon mankind.

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1398 on: May 20, 2020, 05:27:34 PM »
If you knew the first thing about Paganism you would know that you are talking total complere and utter bollocks - but from you, regardless of the subject, that is no surprise whatsoever!
You are a pagan are you not? And you are when writing about Christianity while foaming at the mouth are you not? And it is highly entertaining is it not?

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Re: Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry
« Reply #1399 on: May 20, 2020, 05:29:05 PM »

 I would vote against making the loving upbringing my mother gave me being made criminal. I find your suggestion deeply scary.


If you were brought up Christian with the Bible as the book of rules you seem to be one of those who had the strength of mind to see through the rubbish and grow up able to deal with it!

Unlike some here.
The Holy Bible, probably the most diabolical work of fiction ever to be visited upon mankind.

An it harm none, do what you will; an it harm some, do what you must!