Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry

[Roses]

Given that discrimination does happen (no unaccompanied children, for example), what damage was done by denying them a double bed? They weren't denied access to the B&B.

They presumably wanted to sleep TOGETHER and have sex, not as easy to do so in a single bed.

[Nearly Sane]

They presumably wanted to sleep TOGETHER and have sex, not as easy to do so in a single bed.

I wouldn't presume anything about having sex.

[Owlswing]

Given that discrimination does happen (no unaccompanied children, for example), what damage was done by denying them a double bed? They weren't denied access to the B&B.

Are you bleeding IN-FUCKING-SANE?

Can you see no reason for hotels of all classes any size being prohibited from taking in unaccompanied children?

Jesus ******* Christ - I give up! To say what I truly think of your post quoted above would get me banned for life and I am not giving you that satisfaction!

[Aruntraveller]

It is simple Spud.

There are no grounds for treating a gay couple differently from a heterosexual couple when it comes to booking a hotel/B&B room under the current law.

As Gabriella pointed out somewhere, if you don't want to provide or be involved in those services do something else.

Simples.

[Spud]

A fine is deserved for anti-gay bigotry.

Bigotry relates to differences of opinion. This case was about beliefs.

[Spud]

Are you bleeding IN-FUCKING-SANE?

Can you see no reason for hotels of all classes any size being prohibited from taking in unaccompanied children?

Jesus ******* Christ - I give up! To say what I truly think of your post quoted above would get me banned for life and I am not giving you that satisfaction!

You remind me of an alcoholic I used to know.

[Outrider]

Given that discrimination does happen (no unaccompanied children, for example), what damage was done by denying them a double bed? They weren't denied access to the B&B.

No unaccompanied children is about safeguarding the children, not punishing them for not being of an acceptable age for your fairy tale morality.

The damage done was that their relationship was treated as second class in comparison to other relationships.

O.

[Nearly Sane]

You remind me of an alcoholic I used to know.

I suggest you turn the other cheek.

[Spud]

It is simple Spud.

There are no grounds for treating a gay couple differently from a heterosexual couple when it comes to booking a hotel/B&B room under the current law.

As Gabriella pointed out somewhere, if you don't want to provide or be involved in those services do something else.

Simples.

The BnB case was won by the gay couple I think because they were in a civil partnership, which has the same protected status as marriage under the equalities act. But the penalty imposed on the owners was unjust, because they had no intention to offend or victimize the men - the law should have assumed this, as they were doing business and making a living, so wouldn't set out to hurt feelings. They offered them alternative arrangements.

[Nearly Sane]

The BnB case was won by the gay couple I think because they were in a civil partnership, which has the same protected status as marriage under the equalities act. But the penalty imposed on the owners was unjust, because they had no intention to offend or victimize the men - the law should have assumed this, as they were doing business and making a living, so wouldn't set out to hurt feelings. They offered them alternative arrangements.

Which discriminated against them.

[Aruntraveller]

The BnB case was won by the gay couple I think because they were in a civil partnership, which has the same protected status as marriage under the equalities act. But the penalty imposed on the owners was unjust, because they had no intention to offend or victimize the men - the law should have assumed this, as they were doing business and making a living, so wouldn't set out to hurt feelings. They offered them alternative arrangements.

You know you said someone reminded you of an alcoholic you once knew?

You remind me of a bigot I once knew.

For goodness sake if you went to a B&B with your wife would you expect to be offered 2 separate rooms while everyone else was given the accommodation they expected?

They clearly intended to victimise them as they singled them out for different discriminatory treatment.

Why are you bothering to argue in favour of discrimination?

[Nearly Sane]

You know you said someone reminded you of an alcoholic you once knew?

You remind me of a bigot I once knew.

For goodness sake if you went to a B&B with your wife would you expect to be offered 2 separate rooms while everyone else was given the accommodation they expected?

They clearly intended to victimise them as they singled them out for different discriminatory treatment.

Why are you bothering to argue in favour of discrimination?

let's also ask if a mixed race couple went to a B&B but the people who ran it believed it was wrong, would Spud think it was ok if they were asked to have separate rooms? If not why not?

[Roses]

Bigotry relates to differences of opinion. This case was about beliefs.

Bigoted unpleasant beliefs.

[Outrider]

The BnB case was won by the gay couple I think because they were in a civil partnership, which has the same protected status as marriage under the equalities act. But the penalty imposed on the owners was unjust, because they had no intention to offend or victimize the men - the law should have assumed this, as they were doing business and making a living, so wouldn't set out to hurt feelings.

Except that it should have been eminently foreseeable that telling gay people their relationship isn't acceptable would be offensive.

I do find that the courts' interpretation of the equalities act too often falls down on whether someone took offence rather than whether it could reasonably have been expected that a given action would be offensive, but that's not an ambiguous case in the slightest.

They offered them alternative arrangements.

So they didn't treat them the same... if only there was a word for that...

O.

[Spud]

You know you said someone reminded you of an alcoholic you once knew?

You remind me of a bigot I once knew.

For goodness sake if you went to a B&B with your wife would you expect to be offered 2 separate rooms while everyone else was given the accommodation they expected?

Heterosexual marriage is universally accepted, but not everyone is comfortable with gay partnerships.

They clearly intended to victimise them as they singled them out for different discriminatory treatment.

That is your perception of their motive, but as I said, if someone needs to do business to make a living, they are more than likely to do all they can to satisfy a customer, so should be assumed to be acting sincerely (edit: ie without intending to victimize them) unless good reason is provided that they weren't.

Why are you bothering to argue in favour of discrimination?

I see no difference between the men in this case and a straight couple who aren't married, and I think the B&B owners had the right to decide whether to offer them double beds or single.

[Owlswing]

You remind me of an alcoholic I used to know.

Bleedin' tough! I'm teetotal!

And you remind me of a bloke who hated evetyone who wasn't WASP!

[Spud]

Bleedin' tough! I'm teetotal!

Good, me too

[Nearly Sane]

Heterosexual marriage is universally accepted, but not everyone is comfortable with gay partnerships.
That is your perception of their motive, but as I said, if someone needs to do business to make a living, they are more than likely to do all they can to satisfy a customer, so should be assumed to be acting sincerely (edit: ie without intending to victimize them) unless good reason is provided that they weren't.
I see no difference between the men in this case and a straight couple who aren't married, and I think the B&B owners had the right to decide whether to offer them double beds or single.

That's because you are a homophobic bigot

[Nearly Sane]

Good, me too

But you are a homophobic bigot

[Owlswing]

Bigotry relates to differences of opinion. This case was about beliefs.

Collins English Dictionary

BIGOT - (n) a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his own, especially on RELIGIOB, politics or race.

BIGOTRY - (n) the attitudes, behaviour. or way of thinking of a bigot; prejudice, intolerance


You, Sir. are a bigot and you indulge in bigotry!

[Owlswing]

Quote from: Owlswing on Today at 17:55:32

    Bleedin' tough! I'm teetotal!
Response from Spud!

Good, me too

If that is the case I'm about to get totally pissed because there is no way I ever want to be like you in any way, shape, or form!!

[Spud]

let's also ask if a mixed race couple went to a B&B but the people who ran it believed it was wrong, would Spud think it was ok if they were asked to have separate rooms? If not why not?

Assuming they are a married couple: It would be unreasonable to offer them separate rooms, because they meet the criteria for marriage (as in the well established estate provided for binding a man and a woman to each other and to any children they have). The equalities act says that religious belief is only protected if it is well established and set out; personal convictions have to be in respect to a deep, or weighty (wrong words maybe?) matter, rather than just an opinion, in order to be protected. Your example doesn't have any firm rationale to it, so wouldn't be ok.

[Roses]

Assuming they are a married couple: It would be unreasonable to offer them separate rooms, because they meet the criteria for marriage. The equalities act says that religious belief is only protected if it is well established and set out; personal convictions have to be in respect to a deep, or weighty (wrong words maybe?) matter, rather than just an opinion, in order to be protected. Your example doesn't have any firm rationale to it, so wouldn't be ok.

Bigoted religious convictions like yours deserve no respect or protection, they are highly unpleasant and so very WRONG!

[Spud]

Collins English Dictionary

BIGOT - (n) a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his own, especially on RELIGIOB, politics or race.

BIGOTRY - (n) the attitudes, behaviour. or way of thinking of a bigot; prejudice, intolerance


You, Sir. are a bigot and you indulge in bigotry!

If so then you are also, because you are intolerant of my views

[Roses]

If so then you are also, because you are intolerant of my views

I suspect if that chap Jesus, was a decent person when alive, he would have been intolerant of your bigotry too.