Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry

[Nearly Sane]

If so then you are also, because you are intolerant of my views

So a racist is exactly the same as an antiracist? You need to think.

[Owlswing]

If so then you are also, because you are intolerant of my views

NEGATIVE  -

BIGOT - (n) a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his own, especially on RELIGION, politics or race.


You are a bigot on account of your religious views and your intolerance of anyone else's!!

[Aruntraveller]

Spud you need to read this:

https://www.bigperspectives.com/2019/04/new-study-show-people-who-hate-gays-are.html?

[Owlswing]

Spud you need to read this:

https://www.bigperspectives.com/2019/04/new-study-show-people-who-hate-gays-are.html?

. . . and not just Spud!

No names - No packdrill!


 

[Outrider]

Heterosexual marriage is universally accepted, but not everyone is comfortable with gay partnerships.'

Not everyone is comfortable with overt religion, that's not grounds for rejecting someone's business.

That is your perception of their motive, but as I said, if someone needs to do business to make a living, they are more than likely to do all they can to satisfy a customer, so should be assumed to be acting sincerely (edit: ie without intending to victimize them) unless good reason is provided that they weren't.

That's a possibility - however it was shown here that they were victimizing against their business interests in favour of their own bigotry.

I see no difference between the men in this case and a straight couple who aren't married, and I think the B&B owners had the right to decide whether to offer them double beds or single.

Being a B&B owner doesn't entitle you to act as any sort of 'sin police'.  You might see no difference between a gay couple and an unmarried couple, but thankfully the law has been updated since 150 AD, unlike your perceptions it seems.

O.

[Owlswing]

Not everyone is comfortable with overt religion, that's not grounds for rejecting someone's business.

That's a possibility - however it was shown here that they were victimizing against their business interests in favour of their own bigotry.

Being a B&B owner doesn't entitle you to act as any sort of 'sin police'.  You might see no difference between a gay couple and an unmarried couple, but thankfully the law has been updated since 150 AD, unlike your perceptions it seems.

O.

Please see 1544 and 1551 above and note Spud's pathetic efforts to justify his Christian bigotry!

Even down to denying that Christian beliefs ARE bigotry! wasn't there a song once upon a time, something about "When will they ever learn"?

[Spud]

Not everyone is comfortable with overt religion, that's not grounds for rejecting someone's business.

That's a possibility - however it was shown here that they were victimizing against their business interests in favour of their own bigotry.

Being a B&B owner doesn't entitle you to act as any sort of 'sin police'.  You might see no difference between a gay couple and an unmarried couple, but thankfully the law has been updated since 150 AD, unlike your perceptions it seems.

O.

The reason I don't see any difference is that I don't believe two gay men can marry. I've explained this in #61 on the gay marriage thread: marriage is, always has been and always will be a contract for a man and a woman. But the point is, I believe homosexual sex, like unmarried sex, to be wrong, and I don't have to sell it in my business if I don't want to. This might offend a customer, but it isn't victimization and it doesn't harm him, though he may pretend it does.

[Roses]

The reason I don't see any difference is that I don't believe two gay men can marry. I've explained this in #61 on the gay marriage thread: marriage is, always has been and always will be a contract for a man and a woman. But the point is, I believe homosexual sex, like unmarried sex, to be wrong, and I don't have to sell it in my business if I don't want to. This might offend a customer, but it isn't victimization and it doesn't harm him, though he may pretend it does.

YOU UNPLEASANT ANTI-GAY BIGOT! Of course your attitude is harmful you silly man!

[Aruntraveller]

The reason I don't see any difference is that I don't believe two gay men can marry. I've explained this in #61 on the gay marriage thread: marriage is, always has been and always will be a contract for a man and a woman. But the point is, I believe homosexual sex, like unmarried sex, to be wrong, and I don't have to sell it in my business if I don't want to. This might offend a customer, but it isn't victimization and it doesn't harm him, though he may pretend it does.

I come back to my previous point. You then have to allow equity of discrimination. So if I find out your views I can refuse you services on the grounds that you are bigoted against me.

BTW you have just pretty much defined victimisation at the same time as denying it.

[Owlswing]

The reason I don't see any difference is that I don't believe two gay men can marry. I've explained this in #61 on the gay marriage thread: marriage is, always has been and always will be a contract for a man and a woman. But the point is, I believe homosexual sex, like unmarried sex, to be wrong, and I don't have to sell it in my business if I don't want to. This might offend a customer, but it isn't victimization and it doesn't harm him, though he may pretend it does.

You really are a most unpleasant individual!

You use your religion to justify anything and everything that you think, do and feel. For you, your religion can, via that verdampt (sic) and never to be sufficiently cursed book justify absolutely anything from genocide to child murder to anti-homosexual/Lesbain bigotry.

You are a miserable excuse for a human being, a human being with no humanity in him.

I truly hope that your God loves you because I cannot think of anyone else who, in all good conscience, would!

[ekim]

A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho and fell among thieves who stripped him of his raiment and wounded him and left him half dead.  By chance there came down a certain priest that way and when he saw him he passed upon the other side.  Likewise a Christian, when he arrived at the place, looked on him and passed by on the other side.  But a certain homosexual as he journeyed, came to where he was and when he saw him, he had compassion on him and went to him and bound his wounds and brought him to an inn and took care of him.  Which now of these three, do you think was the neighbour unto him that fell amongst thieves?   Luke 10 (30-36).

[Roses]

I wonder if spud thinks homosexuals should seek to be 'cured' of their 'affliction'?

[Aruntraveller]

I wonder if spud thinks homosexuals should seek to be 'cured' of their 'affliction'?

I think we know the answer to that one 

[Roses]

I think we know the answer to that one 

It should be illegal to offer such a 'cure'.

[Nearly Sane]

It should be illegal to offer such a 'cure'.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/05/uk-gay-conversion-therapy-lgbt-ban-liz-truss/

[Roses]

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/05/uk-gay-conversion-therapy-lgbt-ban-liz-truss/

The sooner the better.

[Owlswing]

A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho and fell among thieves who stripped him of his raiment and wounded him and left him half dead.  By chance there came down a certain priest that way and when he saw him he passed upon the other side.  Likewise a Christian, when he arrived at the place, looked on him and passed by on the other side.  But a certain homosexual as he journeyed, came to where he was and when he saw him, he had compassion on him and went to him and bound his wounds and brought him to an inn and took care of him.  Which now of these three, do you think was the neighbour unto him that fell amongst thieves?   Luke 10 (30-36).

Nice one!

[Sassy]

You should ponder on the implication of that sentence.

You must stop comparing our own times and way of life to a time where people did horrible things like sacrifice their children.
It is clear that we have to use our own intelligence and reasoning when trying to justify something that happened to people in different times and where people psychologically very different.

[Roses]

You must stop comparing our own times and way of life to a time where people did horrible things like sacrifice their children.
It is clear that we have to use our own intelligence and reasoning when trying to justify something that happened to people in different times and where people psychologically very different.

Psychologically different, really? How do you make that one out?

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

The reason I don't see any difference is that I don't believe two gay men can marry. I've explained this in #61 on the gay marriage thread: marriage is, always has been and always will be a contract for a man and a woman. But the point is, I believe homosexual sex, like unmarried sex, to be wrong, and I don't have to sell it in my business if I don't want to. This might offend a customer, but it isn't victimization and it doesn't harm him, though he may pretend it does.

We have been drawing a distinction between public and private actions for years for a reason. Businesses are subject to certain rules that do not exist for private interactions - tax rules, Health & Safety rules, equality rules to name a few. Having weighed up the costs and benefits, voters have repeatedly decided that it is in the best interests of a democratic society that there are common rules everyone has to abide by in terms of how they discriminate against others when doing business. Presumably because businesses are public-facing and use public infrastructure and resources that has been paid for by all tax-payers, therefore it is only fair that the the public get to decide collectively through Parliament about the circumstances where private morality/ preferences/ likes and dislikes can be imposed on others. When this was not regulated in the past, those who did not agree with the discrimination went on strike and/or boycotted businesses and services, and this caused havoc in society as essential jobs were left undone and it was also very bad for the economy.

That's why even when you think an action is wrong - which is your own private morality - you may have to sell it in your business even if you don't want to, but don't have to accept it in private interactions if you don't want to.     

[Sassy]

Psychologically different, really? How do you make that one out?

EASY.. Live in times where it is illegal to harm your child or abuse them.   More importantly, as humans the greater majority love their children would die for them.
In them days they readily gave their children to die for an idol and they would sell them to  survive. It isn't difficult. Mankind today are selfish too. They can treat people badly because
they themselves have been abused when younger. But truth is knowing right and wrong helps us change who we are and realise we do not have the right to hurt others.

[Owlswing]

You must stop comparing our own times and way of life to a time where people did horrible things like sacrifice their children.
It is clear that we have to use our own intelligence and reasoning when trying to justify something that happened to people in different times and where people psychologically very different.

The nuns in Ireland were sacrificing children not centuries, but decades ago, because, the babies, being illegitimate, they were sending them to purgatory as per God's, your God's, law!

[Roses]

EASY.. Live in times where it is illegal to harm your child or abuse them.   More importantly, as humans the greater majority love their children would die for them.
In them days they readily gave their children to die for an idol and they would sell them to  survive. It isn't difficult . Mankind today are selfish too. They can treat people badly because
they themselves have been abused when younger. But truth is knowing right and wrong helps us change who we are and realise we do not have the right to hurt others.

People still abuse and kill their children today, so nothing much has changed!

Please don't use my given name on forums!

[Sassy]

The nuns in Ireland were sacrificing children not centuries, but decades ago, because, the babies, being illegitimate, they were sending them to purgatory as per God's, your God's, law!

Owlswing,

Thou shalt not kill.  Who do the nuns make their vows to?
Why have children to priest and then put them to death?
The truth is that the ROMAN CATHOLIC church were hiding behind a manmade set of rules and at no time did their actions fit in with the final covenant. Love God with all your heart and your neighbour as yourself.  If a nun was following Christ those murders and babies would not have happened. People rebelled because they became angey at being named and shamed made to be cast outs of society. God forgives sinners his son died to save them. Truth is man is too scared in those times of what others think, rather than realising Gods love is about forgiveness and treating others with love.

[Sassy]

People still abuse and kill their children today, so nothing much has changed!

Please don't use my given name on forums!

Please delete had not realised I had done that Roses.

They get punished now and they don't use their children as human sacrifices.

But you knew that and draw attention away from what you do not want to face.