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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2019, 11:35:37 AM »
Quote from: Gordon on October 30, 2019, 08:05:34 PM
We might be past that now: if the only choice left for Brexit is between Johnson's flawed 'deal' and 'no deal', and the EU say no more negotiations, then revoke is the only sensible and credible alternative.

Moreover the result of the forthcoming GE might show that there is no general support for Brexit outwith England, so it may be that whatever mix of government emerges on Dec 13th, they would have to recognise that the most recent information (from the GE results) shows too much fragmentation on a UK-wide basis to conclude that there is a sufficient pro-Brexit consensus that is apparent in each of the 4 nations that comprise the UK, leading to the conclusion that either Brexit or the UK must be binned in that they are mutually exclusive positions.
I emailed Nigel farage a few months ago saying that there were three possible ways forward now: a soft Brexit (Boris deal) a WTO Brexit or remain. It definitely looks like there is more support for remain than either of the other two options, so it's a matter of how to get there. Boris and Nigel won't accept the other's form of Brexit, which is a start.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2019, 11:41:11 AM »
Quote from: Spud on November 01, 2019, 11:35:37 AM
I emailed Nigel farage a few months ago saying that there were three possible ways forward now: a soft Brexit (Boris deal) a WTO Brexit or remain. It definitely looks like there is more support for remain than either of the other two options, so it's a matter of how to get there. Boris and Nigel won't accept the other's form of Brexit, which is a start.
Boris' deal is not a soft brexit - far from it.

Back in the heady days of the referendum a 'soft' brexit was generally considered to be one where the UK remained in the customs union and or single market, a hard brexit where the UK left both and of course, not one was contemplating no deal as even a possibility.

So on that basis (how the 2016 referendum was fought) Boris' deal is certainly a hard brexit and as it doesn't commit to any of the key elements of the single market/customs union in the political declaration is towards the harder end of hard brexit.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2019, 11:44:10 AM »
Quote from: Spud on November 01, 2019, 11:35:37 AM
I emailed Nigel farage a few months ago saying that there were three possible ways forward now: a soft Brexit (Boris deal) a WTO Brexit or remain. It definitely looks like there is more support for remain than either of the other two options, so it's a matter of how to get there. Boris and Nigel won't accept the other's form of Brexit, which is a start.
Actually it wasn't an email, but a message to him via his website, and I didn't save it  :( but I think I was saying that Remain had the largest share of all three options, so a democratic outcome would be to remain.
From what he said just now in his speech, I would suggest he might admit that remain would be better than Boris' deal, which he says isn't Brexit. So there may be hope...
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2019, 08:48:36 PM »
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2019, 09:22:35 AM »
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2019, 09:26:05 AM »
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #56 on: November 02, 2019, 09:32:18 AM »
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #57 on: November 02, 2019, 10:25:44 AM »
Quote from: Walter on November 02, 2019, 09:32:18 AM
absolutely crazy. On the same level as belief in the Big Sky Fairy and that bloke who came to earth to save us all 👽
If you must insult Christians, at least be original. "Sky fairy" is a dreadful old cliche.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #58 on: November 02, 2019, 10:34:03 AM »
Quote from: Steve H on November 02, 2019, 10:25:44 AM
If you must insult Christians, at least be original. "Sky fairy" is a dreadful old cliche.
the best shorthand available 👍

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #59 on: November 02, 2019, 10:39:31 AM »
Quote from: Walter on November 02, 2019, 10:34:03 AM
the best shorthand available 👍
If you can't think of something original.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2019, 11:03:50 AM »
Sorry it's the Fail,the only alternative when I googled was The Daily Star.  Yorkshire Post asks you to register.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7628599/Tories-begging-Brexit-Party-candidates-NOT-stand-seats-chairman-Farages-party-says.html

Quote from: Nearly Sane on November 02, 2019, 09:26:05 AM
I am now at a stage with politics that this doesn't really sound odd.

I know, I hardly raised an eyebrow.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #61 on: November 03, 2019, 08:31:58 AM »
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #62 on: November 03, 2019, 08:37:12 AM »
Quote from: Steve H on November 02, 2019, 10:25:44 AM
If you must insult Christians, at least be original. "Sky fairy" is a dreadful old cliche.

But more polite than some I could think of! ;D
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #63 on: November 03, 2019, 11:10:13 AM »
The horrible Farage isn't going to stand as an MP in this election, probably scared he won't get voted in.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #64 on: November 03, 2019, 04:15:10 PM »
I surmise that Farage is good at brinkmanship so he may well stand in the end. Many UKIP voters were voting for him, that party has virtually fallen apart since - no tears from me. If Nigel aligns himself with the Brexit party or stands as an independent, as long as he knows the areas, he will pick up votes.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #65 on: November 03, 2019, 04:37:02 PM »
Quote from: Robbie on November 03, 2019, 04:15:10 PM
I surmise that Farage is good at brinkmanship so he may well stand in the end. Many UKIP voters were voting for him, that party has virtually fallen apart since - no tears from me. If Nigel aligns himself with the Brexit party or stands as an independent, as long as he knows the areas, he will pick up votes.

Farage created the Brexit party so there is no IF about him aligning himself with it.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #66 on: November 05, 2019, 10:56:02 AM »
Westminster voting intention: CON: 38% (+3) LAB: 31% (+2) LDEM: 15% (-1) BREX: 9% (-2) GRN: 3% (-1) via

@ICMUnlimited

, 01 - 04 Nov Chgs. w/ Oct


Westminster voting intention: CON: 38% (-1) LAB: 25% (-2) LDEM: 16% (-) BREX: 11% (+4) via

@YouGov

Chgs. w/ 01 Nov


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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #67 on: November 05, 2019, 04:35:54 PM »
Utterly scandalous piece of dishonesty from the Tories


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1191732381306277890.html
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #68 on: November 05, 2019, 05:08:12 PM »
I see Philip Hammond has stepped down as a Tory MP and is leaving politics.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #69 on: November 05, 2019, 06:51:20 PM »
This with the lying video about Starmer, Rees Mogg and Andrew Bridgen (see Grenfell thread) makes it an exceptional day of cuntery by the Tories

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wales-politics-50302172?__twitter_impression=true
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #70 on: November 05, 2019, 09:08:56 PM »
Yes, that is bad. I don't know if we can ever get back to some sort of sanity again.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #71 on: November 06, 2019, 08:59:01 AM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on November 05, 2019, 06:51:20 PM
This with the lying video about Starmer, Rees Mogg and Andrew Bridgen (see Grenfell thread) makes it an exceptional day of cuntery by the Tories

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wales-politics-50302172?__twitter_impression=true

Another Tory who has brought their party into disrepute. >:(
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #72 on: November 06, 2019, 10:27:42 AM »
I see the lying video of Keir Starmer has been defended as being 'satirical'. The Tory party are a disgrace.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #73 on: November 06, 2019, 12:24:05 PM »
Alun Cairns has now stepped down, thank goodness.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #74 on: November 06, 2019, 12:31:05 PM »
Hopefully voters in those parts of England who were, how shall we say, naive enough to vote 'Leave', and who might be tempted to vote Tory in the impending GE, will look at this - along with other recent faux pas - and taking into account the unprepossessing crew of fuckwits still holding office, will decide to treat the Tories with the contempt they deserve.

I suspect they are finished here in Scotland.
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