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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #75 on: November 06, 2019, 12:40:33 PM »
Hopefully voters in those parts of England who were, how shall we say, naive enough to vote 'Leave', and who might be tempted to vote Tory in the impending GE, will look at this - along with other recent faux pas - and taking into account the unprepossessing crew of fuckwits still holding office, will decide to treat the Tories with the contempt they deserve.

I suspect they are finished here in Scotland.
Not sure about that - they have done a good job of representing themselves as the unionist vote and there are still people who will vote tactically to keep the SNP out - tbh anyone that does that who would rather vote LD or Lab seems a bit mad to me. I haven't seen any polls specifically for Scotland as yet, and I'm struggling to get much idea of how the vote might go here. It's just a shame that there isn't a chance for Ross Thomson to lose.

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #76 on: November 06, 2019, 01:21:58 PM »
Not sure about that - they have done a good job of representing themselves as the unionist vote and there are still people who will vote tactically to keep the SNP out - tbh anyone that does that who would rather vote LD or Lab seems a bit mad to me. I haven't seen any polls specifically for Scotland as yet, and I'm struggling to get much idea of how the vote might go here. It's just a shame that there isn't a chance for Ross Thomson to lose.
   



Even in the West, you'll still find the so-called 'loyalist' vote going to the Tories.
Just before the dark fell lastninght and the fireworks curfew came into force, I nipped along to the corner shop.
On my way back, I bumped into an Orangeman (literally).
He engaged me in politics, so I asked him what his intentions were.
He intended to vote Tory.
He didn't know their policies, their candidate or the secretary-in-a-state for Scotland, but he was only concerned about t the union.
I took the plunge and asked "Why?"
His answer?
"Boris will keep those Catholic B******* from taking over."
Aye........
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #77 on: November 06, 2019, 02:07:06 PM »
   



Even in the West, you'll still find the so-called 'loyalist' vote going to the Tories.
Just before the dark fell lastninght and the fireworks curfew came into force, I nipped along to the corner shop.
On my way back, I bumped into an Orangeman (literally).
He engaged me in politics, so I asked him what his intentions were.
He intended to vote Tory.
He didn't know their policies, their candidate or the secretary-in-a-state for Scotland, but he was only concerned about t the union.
I took the plunge and asked "Why?"
His answer?
"Boris will keep those Catholic B******* from taking over."
Aye........

That is depressing - let's hope the numbers with that outlook are too small to make any difference. Though I detest the Tories, I'm sure many in the Tory party want nothing to do with that sort of sectarianism.

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #78 on: November 06, 2019, 02:13:36 PM »
That is depressing - let's hope the numbers with that outlook are too small to make any difference. Though I detest the Tories, I'm sure many in the Tory party want nothing to do with that sort of sectarianism.
There's a depressing strain of it even at the top of the Tory party in Scotland, and there have been some in the SNP who have erred in the other way. The sectarian divide in politics that used to be Tory v Labour moved with the change and growth in the SNP to be Tory v SNP. Too many politicians who should know better use their social media presence to indulge in sectarianism via football.

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #79 on: November 06, 2019, 02:44:23 PM »

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #80 on: November 06, 2019, 03:09:58 PM »
Rookie mistake

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-50306103

If the blunders keep going throughout this election campaign, and it has been an encouraging start, I may end up with an overdose of schadenfreude.

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #81 on: November 06, 2019, 04:08:41 PM »
Rookie mistake

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-50306103
 


Aye, nice one - a pic of where the Bruce's heart is buried as a nice scene for an English Tory propaganda sheet....
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #82 on: November 06, 2019, 04:39:48 PM »
Not sure how this will play from Labour. Could be seen as tough action, might just remind people of the issue. And they need tp sort out the Vaz dithering.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50319044


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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #85 on: November 06, 2019, 10:38:12 PM »
Anchorman did you know that man was an orange man before you had conversation? If so how did you know, was he wearing a bowler - or had he been tango'd?
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #86 on: November 07, 2019, 08:19:47 AM »
What this election is demonstrating - in spades - is that the British political system is broken.

We have a parliamentary arrangement which encourages antagonistic behaviour in the lower chamber. The concept of "opposition" is enshrined constitutionally and physically in a world in which co-operation and collaboration are becoming more important. The historical layout of Simon de Montfort's early parliament in a church choir is no reason for the rowdy antagonism which the House of Commons promotes. This, together with a clumsy and unrepresentative "first past the post" voting system encourages the existence of just two political parties which are tribal in their policies and support.

We have ended up with two party leaders who exemplify caricatures of their party principles: one is a privileged womaniser, the other a polytechnic Trotskyite. They are each contributing to a potential brakup of the United Kingdom.

The real villain of this situation, however, is David Cameron - not for calling a referendum whose result he believed would muzzle the lunatic right wing of his party, but for failing to heed the warning of the Scottish referendum. Had he convened a Royal Commission to consider the constitutional arrangements required for good governance of a complex family of closely related countries and cultures in the 21st century, he might bee remembered as a great reforming statesman. Instead he opted for a sticking plaster - EVEL. And he is remembered as an idiot.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #87 on: November 07, 2019, 08:28:14 AM »
And one of the issues with EVEL is that should Swinson somehow become PM then she can't vote on certain pieces of legislation. It's a guddle.

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #88 on: November 07, 2019, 08:31:59 AM »
'Viewers in Scotland have their own programme'


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50327937

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #89 on: November 07, 2019, 08:42:02 AM »
If you are an ex Labour MP saying vote Tory, then I fail to see in what sense you were ever Labour

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50330007

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« Reply #90 on: November 07, 2019, 09:05:58 AM »
Anchorman did you know that man was an orange man before you had conversation? If so how did you know, was he wearing a bowler - or had he been tango'd?
     



Oh, I know, Robbie.
Unfortunately, my town is small enough so that everyone has a nodding aquaintance with everyone else. We have the blight or orangeism in our area...despite both the Church of Scotland and RC Churches co-operating, sharing events - even having clerics in each other's pulpits.
I don't know about tangoed - but certainly overdoesd on Red Bull if nothing else!
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #91 on: November 07, 2019, 11:05:33 AM »
I see Chris Williamson has said he will stand as an independent in Derby North, and asked the Labour Party not to stand against him!

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #92 on: November 07, 2019, 12:01:36 PM »
We are having a bidding war on spending. The sentence that says 'Labour is adding a cool £150bn to its investment plans over five years, a very big sum' is almost enchanting in its awfulness.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50325059

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #93 on: November 07, 2019, 12:18:58 PM »
I think this election is the most eye wateringly awful one since I came to live in the UK 50 years ago. :o
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #94 on: November 08, 2019, 09:45:13 AM »
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Re: UK election 2019
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #96 on: November 08, 2019, 10:35:39 AM »
Looking at the reports of what Johnson said in NI it is hard to know whether he is just overtly lying for convenience, as usual, or whether he is so unaware of what 'his' deal actually says that he simply doesn't know the details to begin with but is happy to just make it up as he goes along.

If the arrangements for NI are so good, as he says, then one wonders why he is so intent on restricting these benefits to NI alone.

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #97 on: November 08, 2019, 11:19:51 AM »
Looking at the reports of what Johnson said in NI it is hard to know whether he is just overtly lying for convenience, as usual, or whether he is so unaware of what 'his' deal actually says that he simply doesn't know the details to begin with but is happy to just make it up as he goes along.

If the arrangements for NI are so good, as he says, then one wonders why he is so intent on restricting these benefits to NI alone.

IIRC during the referendum Johnson was offering a soft exit, with the UK remaining in the single market?

I think he just says what sounds good at any time - ignoring any details or inconveniences. A flaw that caused Gove to ditch him during the Con leadership campaign in 2016.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #98 on: November 08, 2019, 11:22:57 AM »
Pretty much but it doesn't seem to make much difference

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/general-election-tories-rees-mogg-bridgen-boris-johnson-cleverly-satire-a9193906.html

What doesn't make much difference? They are trying to occupy the media space, even if it is with shit.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #99 on: November 08, 2019, 11:24:39 AM »
We are having a bidding war on spending. The sentence that says 'Labour is adding a cool £150bn to its investment plans over five years, a very big sum' is almost enchanting in its awfulness.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50325059

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