UK election 2019

[Nearly Sane]

Farage was apparently offered a peerage at the weekend - so he was being offered an hour and tax free sinecure to do some form of a deal? And this is democracy?

At the same time he isn't giving the 100 quid back to candidates he's just stood down, or recompensing them for any expenditure taken up to now. Shyster!

[ProfessorDavey]

Farage was apparently offered a peerage at the weekend - so he was being offered an hour and tax free sinecure to do some form of a deal? And this is democracy?

At the same time he isn't giving the 100 quid back to candidates he's just stood down, or recompensing them for any expenditure taken up to now. Shyster!

Some suggestion that some of those jilted Brexit candidates might end up as UKIP candidates in the same seats.

[Roses]

Farage was apparently offered a peerage at the weekend - so he was being offered an hour and tax free sinecure to do some form of a deal? And this is democracy?

At the same time he isn't giving the 100 quid back to candidates he's just stood down, or recompensing them for any expenditure taken up to now. Shyster!

If that is correct the world has gone completely bonkers!

[Nearly Sane]

If that is correct the world has gone completely bonkers!

I would suggest corrupt is a better word

[Nearly Sane]

Some suggestion that some of those jilted Brexit candidates might end up as UKIP candidates in the same seats.

I hope they sue Farage

[Christine]

Meanwhile in Rotherham

https://unherd.com/2019/11/labours-fun-feminists-are-enabling-exploitation/

When was Julie Bindell elected spokesperson for all women and the final arbiter of who is a feminist?  The aim should be to remove any economic pressures that make some women feel that such employment is their best realistic option.  Then we could be more confident that any women involved were there of their own choice.  I heard a couple of dancers being interviewed several months ago on, I think, PM.  They were furious at the "feminists" who had filmed them in their club and published the films on-line.  And I don't think the possibility of women being put into riskier situations by the closure of the club can be so easily dismissed. 

That she refers to Corbyn's candidate and not the Labour candidate is telling.  It's beyond me why some who claim to care about the people who live in this country happily play into the narratives promulgated by a corrupt, disreputable establishment.  Corbyn's awful, isn't he, perhaps we should vote for the lying sociopath party who've been asset-stripping the country for the last 9 years.  What a conundrum.

Re wreath-gate - I saw a comment on this suggesting it was a coded cry for help from the BBC.  It was so obvious it's beyond belief whoever edited that footage didn't realise it would be spotted.  Though I suppose it did avoid the BBC actually showing Johnson, who looked like he'd slept in a hedge, messing up his not-very-complicated role at the cenotaph.  I thought party leaders were held to such high standards on Remembrance Day...

[Nearly Sane]

Westminster voting intention: CON: 35% (+1) LAB: 29% (+3) LDEM: 17% (-2) BREX: 10% (-2) GRN: 1% (-) via

@Survation

, 06 - 08 Nov Chgs. w/ 30 Oct

[Nearly Sane]

Farewell Brexit Party


Westminster voting intention: CON: 42% (+3) LAB: 28% (+2) LDEM: 15% (-2) BREX: 4% (-6) GRN: 4% (-) via @YouGov, 11 - 12 Nov Chgs. w/ 08 Nov.

[Roses]

Farewell Brexit Party


Westminster voting intention: CON: 42% (+3) LAB: 28% (+2) LDEM: 15% (-2) BREX: 4% (-6) GRN: 4% (-) via @YouGov, 11 - 12 Nov Chgs. w/ 08 Nov.

Farewell Brexit and Tories would be on my wish list.

[Nearly Sane]

Maybe we could have a split in the Lib Dems?


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/liberal-democrats-leader-general-election-news-remain-members-latest-a9201146.html

[ippy]

Farewell Brexit and Tories would be on my wish list.

Now what was that old saying, something like, 'don't count your chickens'.

Regards, ippy.

[ippy]

When was Julie Bindell elected spokesperson for all women and the final arbiter of who is a feminist?  The aim should be to remove any economic pressures that make some women feel that such employment is their best realistic option.  Then we could be more confident that any women involved were there of their own choice.  I heard a couple of dancers being interviewed several months ago on, I think, PM.  They were furious at the "feminists" who had filmed them in their club and published the films on-line.  And I don't think the possibility of women being put into riskier situations by the closure of the club can be so easily dismissed. 

That she refers to Corbyn's candidate and not the Labour candidate is telling.  It's beyond me why some who claim to care about the people who live in this country happily play into the narratives promulgated by a corrupt, disreputable establishment.  Corbyn's awful, isn't he, perhaps we should vote for the lying sociopath party who've been asset-stripping the country for the last 9 years.  What a conundrum.

Re wreath-gate - I saw a comment on this suggesting it was a coded cry for help from the BBC.  It was so obvious it's beyond belief whoever edited that footage didn't realise it would be spotted.  Though I suppose it did avoid the BBC actually showing Johnson, who looked like he'd slept in a hedge, messing up his not-very-complicated role at the cenotaph.  I thought party leaders were held to such high standards on Remembrance Day...

Love the asset stripping comment, hadn't thought of them in that light but you're right and if they can't win an election with a main opponent like Jeremy Corbyn? Jeremy, what a gift to the Tories.

At this moment, today only, it seems to be going brexit, but that's today? I'll only believe the result when we hear it the day after.

Regards, ippy

[Roses]

My eldest daughter is giving a talk to her Guides tonight about Parliament and general elections. I said all they need to know is that what politicians promise in the run up to an election is to get the voters on side. More often than not when in Government they make excuses as to why they can't follow through with those promises.

[Udayana]

My eldest daughter is giving a talk to her Guides tonight about Parliament and general elections. I said all they need to know is that what politicians promise in the run up to an election is to get the voters on side. More often than not when in Government they make excuses as to why they can't follow through with those promises.

I doubt that would be enough to earn a badge though

[Roses]

I doubt that would be enough to earn a badge though

Good, I sewed on all her badges when she was a child, the sewing badge was about the only one she didn't get.

[Nearly Sane]

North East Somerset, constituency voting intention: LDEM: 39% (+29) CON: 39% (-14) LAB: 18% (-17) GRN: 5% (+3) IND: 1% (+1) via @YouGov, 6-10 Nov Chgs w/ GE2017

Rees-Mogg's  seat

[Nearly Sane]

Quite bizarre take from Umunna, given that ex Tory Govt ministers are in the Lib Dems, and Swinson voted for cuts when in coalition

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/chuka-umunna-lib-dems-election-independent-remain-alliance-tories-welfare-benefits_uk_5dcc4c18e4b03a7e0293e7cd?ncid=other_twitter_cooo9wqtham&utm_campaign=share_twitter

[wigginhall]

I saw Luciana Berger interviewed, she said they can't support Rosie Duffield in Canterbury, as she wants Corbyn in Downing St.   So the Lib Dems oppose Corbyn, not Brexit?  Of course, the original Lib Dem candidate stood down, Boris is grinning. 

[SteveH]

North East Somerset, constituency voting intention: LDEM: 39% (+29) CON: 39% (-14) LAB: 18% (-17) GRN: 5% (+3) IND: 1% (+1) via @YouGov, 6-10 Nov Chgs w/ GE2017

Rees-Mogg's  seat

Ree-Smug could be on his way out!

[Nearly Sane]

I saw Luciana Berger interviewed, she said they can't support Rosie Duffield in Canterbury, as she wants Corbyn in Downing St.   So the Lib Dems oppose Corbyn, not Brexit?  Of course, the original Lib Dem candidate stood down, Boris is grinning.

I can see there being a few people who will leave the LDs because of this - the influx of MPs from Labour and Tories to them seems to have removed any clarity that there was (and other than Brexit there was little of that. I suppose though the problem is that the Labour position still seems quite Brexity, and for the LDs that is problematic. The idea that they could support the Labour party but not its leader was always going to cause problems with any deal

[Nearly Sane]

Ree-Smug could be on his way out!

Given that Labour finished second in the set by a distance ahead of the LDs, it's politically impossible for them to stand aside on the basis of an opinion poll, but I would have thought the Greens might stand down.

[Nearly Sane]

In the strange world of this election, it's been made to easy to forget that this is not just about Brexit. In another election, I would have presumed that the news about the A&E wait times would have a major effect. In this one, who knows.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50397856

[Nearly Sane]

From the BBC's running reporting thread on the Election

"It's been a morning of nursery rhymes and small mammals for the prime minister, who has been visiting a school near Taunton in Somerset.

He held Rosie the rabbit (who he said was "very well behaved") in a classroom at West Monkton Primary School, and sang a song about Peter Rabbit with pupils - but notably did not partake in the corresponding "bunny ears" hand action.

Mr Johnson suggested singing The Wheels On The Bus, taking the opportunity to joke: "The wheels are staying very much on the bus."


He was accompanied by Rebecca Pow, the Conservative candidate seeking re-election for Taunton Deane, who joked that the children were better singers than the prime minister.

Mr Johnson revealed he cannot solve a Rubik's Cube "for toffee" while watching a pupil complete it in around two minutes, and - while talking about the children's favourite books - asked whether they had the Incredible Hulk.

One child shouted "boobies" while looking at a copy of the book, to which Mr Johnson replied: "Those aren't boobies, they are muscles."

Chants of "Boris out" could be heard from outside the schools, where Labour, Lib Dem and climate change activists had gathered."

[Nearly Sane]

Good piece by Stephen Bush
                                                                                                              

"Good morning. Boris Johnson accused Jeremy Corbyn of planning to hold two referendums in 2020 (one on Brexit, and a second on Scottish independence), but all anyone is talking about is masturbation, after CCHQ trailed that the Prime Minister would refer to those referendums as an act of “onanism”.

There are a lot of questionable choices here. The two referendums charge - unlike the trillion pounds of spending, or Priti Patel's false claim today that Labour will extend the free movement of people across the world - has the rare benefit of being true. Unless Labour wins a parliamentary majority, which is highly unlikely given the strength of the SNP, they will be dependent on the support of other political parties - that means another independence referendum for the SNP and another Brexit referendum for everyone else. 

But it's not clear to me, from either the polls or my travels across the country, that it is in the Conservatives' interests to paint Labour as the party of a second referendum. The Tories look to be at or near the upper limit of what they can win from Leave voters - they enjoy a consistent opinion poll lead because some Remainers who voted Labour in 2017 aren't at the moment. Now, for some of those voters, they are rejecting Labour for other reasons, chiefly among them antisemitism. But the reality is for most, lack of trust over Brexit is the major issue. Attacking Labour as the party of a second referendum looks highly risky on the Conservatives' part. 

The second questionable choice is that word “onanism”. The point and purpose of Johnson's use of arcane words and toilet humour during his days on Have I Got News For You or before he became Prime Minister was to send a simple message: that he is not like other Tories. He's a cuddly Tory, a fun Tory! But wasn't the message yesterday meant to be about how a Labour vote means two referendums in 2020? Do people in those must-win marginals hit by the floods want to vote for a fun Tory? Don't they want a serious Prime Minister who can get the house in order, literally and figuratively. 

We know that Johnson is good at selling Brand Boris. But he could yet come undone if he can't reliably sell Brand Tory. "

[Nearly Sane]

And a thread that is an excellent summary of UK politics


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1195025481147523078.html