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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #525 on: December 14, 2019, 09:16:58 PM »
Glad to see that that deeply unpleasant little shit Zac Goldsmith got booted out by Sarah Olney. Very sorry that Dennis "the legend" Skinner lost, and slightly sorry that Anna Soubry did, even if she is a former tory.
Not weeping any tears over Jo Swansong.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #526 on: December 14, 2019, 09:21:47 PM »
Not weeping any tears over Jo Swansong.
7/10 for that one Steve 😬

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #527 on: December 14, 2019, 09:22:30 PM »
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Is it compulsory? 😱
No, would just save you from being tedious. I'm all about the caring.

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #528 on: December 14, 2019, 09:31:08 PM »
7/10 for that one Steve 😬
If you mean the pun on her name, I'm afraid I can't claim credit. Someone on Facebook called her that.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #529 on: December 14, 2019, 09:41:33 PM »
No, would just save you from being tedious. I'm all about the caring.
What a sap

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #530 on: December 14, 2019, 09:43:39 PM »
If you mean the pun on her name, I'm afraid I can't claim credit. Someone on Facebook called her that.
i should have known  ::)

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #531 on: December 15, 2019, 11:34:18 AM »
Like it or not, which I don't, Boris is going to be in office for at least the next five years. He needs to  pull his socks up and stop aping that idiot across the pond. The task before him is not going to be easy especially where trying to sort out the NHS is concerned. Hopefully he will get his act together and prove his doubters wrong.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #532 on: December 15, 2019, 01:55:03 PM »
This is not a political comment - as I said yesterday, I shall notmake any more political comments.

I have a straightforward question and am simpy interested in a simple, e.g. yes/no,  answer. I will not make comments on the replies.

Do Labour supporters agree that many people voted conservative because it was the ony way they would achieve a Brexit, a separation from the EU?
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #533 on: December 15, 2019, 01:57:57 PM »
This is not a political comment - as I said yesterday, I shall notmake any more political comments.

I have a straightforward question and am simpy interested in a simple, e.g. yes/no,  answer. I will not make comments on the replies.

Do Labour supporters agree that many people voted conservative because it was the ony way they would achieve a Brexit, a separation from the EU?
Yes, probably - which makes them idiots twice over: for voting Tory, and for wanting Brexit.
If Scotland, Wales and Northern ireland became independent, and stayed in the EU, would we end up with a full Englsih Brexit?
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #534 on: December 15, 2019, 02:00:04 PM »
This is not a political comment - as I said yesterday, I shall notmake any more political comments.

I have a straightforward question and am simpy interested in a simple, e.g. yes/no,  answer. I will not make comments on the replies.

Do Labour supporters agree that many people voted conservative because it was the ony way they would achieve a Brexit, a separation from the EU?

That is no doubt one reason, but I suspect dislike to Corbyn as a potential PM was another.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #535 on: December 15, 2019, 02:58:56 PM »
This is not a political comment - as I said yesterday, I shall notmake any more political comments.

I have a straightforward question and am simpy interested in a simple, e.g. yes/no,  answer. I will not make comments on the replies.

Do Labour supporters agree that many people voted conservative because it was the ony way they would achieve a Brexit, a separation from the EU?

Not a Labour supporter - but would agree that a reasonable percentage of voters switching from Labour to Conservative did so for brexit. Why they voted for brexit is a different matter - one that Labour (and LibDem) failed to address.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #536 on: December 15, 2019, 03:03:24 PM »
SteveH, Littleroses and Udayana
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #537 on: December 15, 2019, 03:08:37 PM »
That is no doubt one reason, but I suspect dislike to Corbyn as a potential PM was another.
So how come Corbyn, in this election and the 2017 one, got more votes than Miliband, Brown and Blair, in 2015, 2010, and 2005? The Tory victory is due to our useless fptp voring sytem. We need to switch to single transferable vote.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #538 on: December 15, 2019, 03:17:22 PM »
Steve H ;

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #539 on: December 15, 2019, 03:48:13 PM »
So how come Corbyn, in this election and the 2017 one, got more votes than Miliband, Brown and Blair, in 2015, 2010, and 2005? The Tory victory is due to our useless fptp voring sytem. We need to switch to single transferable vote.

Goodness knows, I don't think they realised then quite what a truly rubbish party leader he would be.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #540 on: December 15, 2019, 05:19:02 PM »
Goodness knows, I don't think they realised then quite what a truly rubbish party leader he would be.
He got the Labour party more votes in his two elections than they got in any of the previous three! How is thst being a rubbish leader?
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #541 on: December 15, 2019, 05:24:58 PM »
He got the Labour party more votes in his two elections than they got in any of the previous three! How is thst being a rubbish leader?

He was hopeless in the Commons and such a limp cabbage he couldn't stand up against May and Boris. It took the Labour Party too long to see how useless he was, if they had worked it out sooner they might not have lost this election so badly, they might have even won.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #542 on: December 15, 2019, 05:31:06 PM »
You regularly accuse others of holding beliefs without evidence, but you are here holding one in spite of contrary evidence. I give up - there's no arguing with such rock-hard prejudice.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #543 on: December 15, 2019, 06:18:25 PM »
You regularly accuse others of holding beliefs without evidence, but you are here holding one in spite of contrary evidence. I give up - there's no arguing with such rock-hard prejudice.

That is amusing coming from you who have made plenty of comments on this and other threads which scream your prejudiced views. As for Corbyn my evidence is the way he performed in the Commons, which was pathetic. Most people with whom I am acquainted thought he was no sort of leader, and many of them were Labour supporters.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #544 on: December 15, 2019, 06:33:37 PM »
*SusanD*:- Do Labour supporters agree that many people voted conservative because it was the ony way they would achieve a Brexit, a separation from the EU?

Yes I certainly think that was a decisive factor couple with immigration. He made the right noises to attract traditional working class Labour supporters who are afraid of 'foreigners' changing their way of life.

Corbyn is a good man whom I believe has integrity but stays true to himself as far as he can. Politicians who want the top job often have to curry favour and compromise their values, he wouldn't have found that easy. You could tell that by the way he talked about Brexit; he was personally in favour of it but most of his party were not so he was prepared to go along with what they wanted, after all his job was/is to represent them, but with little enthusiasm. He also said he would act according to what the majority of the GBP voted which was Brexit. It was that simple to him.

Very interesting personality type.

It's possible he is now relieved that he won't be Labour's leader for much longer, he won't be the first party leader to feel like that. He'll carry on being useful in other ways.
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #545 on: December 15, 2019, 06:37:57 PM »
Corbyn useful? Thanks for giggle, Robbie. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #546 on: December 15, 2019, 06:50:18 PM »

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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #547 on: December 15, 2019, 07:16:45 PM »
That's a very good read NS. This part particularly resonated with me:-

"I think that the voters did not want a ‘nice old man,’ who ‘never did any wrong’ almost inhumanely, who always engages in calm discussions, but would favour a more relatable and animated person, who gets angry sometimes (after all, we have much to be angry about), and whom is perhaps more dominant in conversations and offers simple messages, like Jonson, or better yet, Bernie Sanders. Remember that people vote more emotionally than rationally, as an expression of their identities and wishes, and, sadly, our leader, whose policies and personality were my own reasons for joining the canvassing, wasn’t screen popular with the masses."
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #548 on: December 16, 2019, 06:06:32 AM »
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Re: UK election 2019
« Reply #549 on: December 16, 2019, 09:34:59 AM »
That's a very good read NS. This part particularly resonated with me:-

"I think that the voters did not want a ‘nice old man,’ who ‘never did any wrong’ almost inhumanely, who always engages in calm discussions, but would favour a more relatable and animated person, who gets angry sometimes (after all, we have much to be angry about), and whom is perhaps more dominant in conversations and offers simple messages, like Jonson, or better yet, Bernie Sanders. Remember that people vote more emotionally than rationally, as an expression of their identities and wishes, and, sadly, our leader, whose policies and personality were my own reasons for joining the canvassing, wasn’t screen popular with the masses."
Yes, despite the various serious accusations about Corbyn as regards anti Semitism, and commemorating terrorists, there seems a general idea that he was just 'not up to it', in part because we have killed nuance in politics. The Tories ran a better campaign this time simply by not introducing a policy that scared their core vote.