Next Labour leader - your hopes and predictions.

[Harrowby Hall]

That the tories nevertheless won is due to our useless fptp voting system.

And Farage's Brexit Party manoeuvre.

[Bramble]

Only to get elected. After a couple of years it will be completely apparent that Brexit was a huge mistake and we can begin the process of getting back into the EU.

I think Labour will have to avoid all mention of the EU for a long time. For those Labour traditionalists who voted Tory, Brexit will be done in January. After that they'll probably switch off from the whole mess because they'll have been listened to, got their way, and are, in any case, bored of Brexit. If the consequences of Brexit are as bad a you fear they're most unlikely to take any responsibility for them. Just as they blamed Brussels for all manner of Westminster policies they'll doubtless blame Westminster for the consequences of our newfound separation from Brussels. If Labour is to win these folk back it will have to become complicit in their lies and denials.

[Robbie]

Robbie when we want your advice we will ask for it.

Even more hilarious  .
It wasn't advice, merely a suggestion based on my opinion which came from what I observe. Don't worry I'm not out to spoil anyone's fun, play away.

[Roses]

Even more hilarious  .
It wasn't advice, merely a suggestion based on my opinion which came from what I observe. Don't worry I'm not out to spoil anyone's fun, play away.

 

[Nearly Sane]

From the BBC live thread


"On Sunday, former Labour MP Caroline Flint accused Ms Thornberry of telling one her colleagues from a Brexit-backing area: "I'm glad my constituents aren't as stupid as yours."

Ms Thornberry said the accusation was "a total and utter lie".

Asked about that this morning, the shadow foreign secretary accused Caroline Flint of making up “the most extraordinary lies about me”. She actually used another word, repeatedly, but it's not broadcastable at this time of the morning...

She said she had asked Ms Flint to withdraw the remarks, but she hadn't, “so I’ve had to go to solicitors.”

"This simply isn’t fair or right and you can’t just make things up on national television."

Ms Thornberry accused Ms Flint of engaging in "real schoolyard stuff", adding: "It's absolutely ridiculous, we have better things to think about.""

[Roses]

From the BBC live thread


"On Sunday, former Labour MP Caroline Flint accused Ms Thornberry of telling one her colleagues from a Brexit-backing area: "I'm glad my constituents aren't as stupid as yours."

Ms Thornberry said the accusation was "a total and utter lie".

Asked about that this morning, the shadow foreign secretary accused Caroline Flint of making up “the most extraordinary lies about me”. She actually used another word, repeatedly, but it's not broadcastable at this time of the morning...

She said she had asked Ms Flint to withdraw the remarks, but she hadn't, “so I’ve had to go to solicitors.”

"This simply isn’t fair or right and you can’t just make things up on national television."

Ms Thornberry accused Ms Flint of engaging in "real schoolyard stuff", adding: "It's absolutely ridiculous, we have better things to think about.""

Pathetic behaviour on the part of them both, which isn't going to enhance Thornberry's leadership bid, imo.

[Nearly Sane]

Pathetic behaviour on the part of them both, which isn't going to enhance Thornberry's leadership bid, imo.

If though Thornberry didn't say it, how is it pathetic behaviour on her part? If she did, why is it pathetic behaviour on Flint's part?

[Roses]

If though Thornberry didn't say it, how is it pathetic behaviour on her part? If she did, why is it pathetic behaviour on Flint's part?

Having a spat like this in public has done neither of them any good, when it should have been settled in private.

[Nearly Sane]

Having a spat like this in public has done neither of them any good, when it should have been settled in private.

If Thornberry didn't say it, then Flint put a lie into the public view - what else could she do to defend herself if Flint refused her request to withdraw the remark?

If Thornberry did say it, then surely it is in the public interest that a contender for leader of the opposition said it?

[jeremyp]

He got more votes for labour in this election and in 2017 than Blair, Brown or Miliband got in the previous three elections.

2019: Corbyn 32.1% (result: lost)
2005: Blair 35.2% (result: won)

Blair, Brown and Milliband were not up against the current crop of Tories or the appalling record of the current government. A tub of lard should have been able to beat them. Furthermore, Blair managed to win in 2005 on the back of an illegal and unpopular war in Iraq.

The Conservatives polled nearly 40% more votes than Labour in 2019. In 2015, they only polled 21% more. In 2010, they only polled 24% more.

That the tories nevertheless won is due to our useless fptp voting system.

The the Tories had an overall majority is the fault of FPTP but they also had the highest percentage of votes of any party.

Do not blame anything except Jeremy Corbyn's complete unelectability for Labour's loss this time round. If you want Labour to win again, you need to be honest about the causes of defeat. 

[Udayana]

He got more votes for labour in this election and in 2017 than Blair, Brown or Miliband got in the previous three elections. That the tories nevertheless won is due to our useless fptp voting system.

Between 2017 and 2019 there was a 7.8% change in vote share against Labour that needs to be accounted for.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

He is quite obviously a good communicator and intelligent - but his objectives and strategy on brexit were completely wrong.

True. I actually have no understanding of how the former Labour voters who voted Tory in this election feel. If they are the group that Labour need to keep happy to get elected then they better get busy finding someone who appeals to them, which presumably means someone who wants to leave the EU and didn't back a 2nd referendum.

[SteveH]

Rebecca Long-Bailey is the current favourite - she'll do nicely. She's well to the left, and used to be a postie.

[Aruntraveller]

Rebecca Long-Bailey is the current favourite - she'll do nicely. She's well to the left, and used to be a postie.

No, no, no.

I know it shouldn't make a difference, but she has a negative effect on me. She will not appeal to voters. Even less than JC. It would be a mistake. If she were picked I would have to vote for another party. Has the same effect on me as Swansong.

[jeremyp]

Rebecca Long-Bailey is the current favourite - she'll do nicely. She's well to the left, and used to be a postie.

Well to the left is bad. We need somebody that voters do not think of as a Marxist (as somebody told me JC is the other day).

[Udayana]

What's the point of having a leader if you don't know what you want?

[Roses]

I hope the next leader of the Labour Party is a moderate, I would hate a left winger like Corbyn to take over from him. I reckon they would be handing power to the Tories for the foreseeable future if that is the case.

[Walter]

Rebecca Long-Bailey is the current favourite - she'll do nicely. She's well to the left, and used to be a postie.

she' olso a Roman Catholic whic indicates to me that her grip on reality is highly suspect .

[Outrider]

Well to the left is bad. We need somebody that voters do not think of as a Marxist (as somebody told me JC is the other day).

What's the point, though of another Blairite type to give the electorate a choice of blue or red Tories?  There's already a centrist party in the Lib Dems, and we saw how well they did.  Corbynite policies attached to someone who's at least been in the same room as some charisma wouldn't be a bad starting point.

O.

[Nearly Sane]

Thornberry announces


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50834286

[Walter]

Thornberry announces


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50834286

she'd be fantastic as a prop forward for Leeds Rhinos 😤

[jeremyp]

What's the point, though of another Blairite type to give the electorate a choice of blue or red Tories?

First of all, a Blairite government would be bliss compared to the den of thieves we have now. Secondly, the choice between "red tory" and "Jeremy Corbyn" is a false dichotomy. You can be Labour without being either of those.

There's already a centrist party in the Lib Dems, and we saw how well they did.

You don't want their 11.9% of the vote? If you add the Lib-Dem percentage to that of Labour you have more than the Tories polled.

Corbynite policies attached to someone who's at least been in the same room as some charisma wouldn't be a bad starting point.

And competence.

[Walter]

First of all, a Blairite government would be bliss compared to the den of thieves we have now. Secondly, the choice between "red tory" and "Jeremy Corbyn" is a false dichotomy. You can be Labour without being either of those.

You don't want their 11.9% of the vote? If you add the Lib-Dem percentage to that of Labour you have more than the Tories polled.
And competence.

jeremy ,
Give me your address and I'll send you a new dummy !

[Walter]

What colour would you like , pink or blue ?

[Nearly Sane]

Why does this have to take so long?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51000133