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Re: 'Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals'
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2020, 02:41:41 PM »
This is all pathetic and that 66 pence per head per year, or thereabouts, that lot cost us I'd rather burn the 66p than give it to them or anyone else so dismissively useless.

'Thomas Paine', quote: 'Why don't we have hereditary mathematicians', makes as much sense to me as having this existing senseless, irrational system.

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Re: 'Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals'
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2020, 02:44:31 PM »
Agreed - the inherited wealth will certainly be handy if they want to lead a life of luxury while they consider their options.

If they do not exploit their RF connection to earn money, but solely rely on their other skills and qualifications, as I said before, good for them - it shows integrity. But the legacy they will be living off comes from their RF connection - so I neither despise them, nor feel sorry for them, nor do I applaud them - they would be just another privileged, wealthy young couple (with a child) and a mercenary mindset.
How could they avoid the effect of the royal family connection? And as part of that 'legacy' they will need security, possibly even more so than now.

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Re: 'Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals'
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2020, 02:45:59 PM »
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex withdrawing from royal duties - without even informing the queen? Becoming responsible for their own income?

THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED!!!!!

They would be dragging the monarchy into the 19th century ...

I thought it'd be some time before we had anyone living off of this planet, which one H H?

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Re: 'Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals'
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2020, 02:52:06 PM »
How could they avoid the effect of the royal family connection? And as part of that 'legacy' they will need security, possibly even more so than now.
I agree that they can't avoid it completely. Presumably though, if Meghan goes back to acting and Harry goes back to flying helicopters and they earn a salary from those activities rather than speaking engagements and endorsements and posting on Twitter as members of the RF, they would not be financially exploiting their connection to the RF as much as they could have?
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Re: 'Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals'
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2020, 02:56:46 PM »
I agree that they can't avoid it completely. Presumably though, if Meghan goes back to acting and Harry goes back to flying helicopters and they earn a salary from those activities rather than speaking engagements and endorsements and posting on Twitter as members of the RF, they would not be financially exploiting their connection to the RF as much as they could have?
What about exploiting their connections in terms of 'good causes'?

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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2020, 03:00:16 PM »
Not really sure what you mean by 'this' or 'start' here
By "this" I mean taking control of the lucrative opportunities available from their marriage and parenthood as members of the RF.

By "start" I mean when they discussed their potential brand as a couple within the RF while considering whether they should continue to get more romantically involved and get married.
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Re: 'Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals'
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2020, 03:02:57 PM »
And I think it was odd to lecture people about environmental issues while flying back and forth across the Atlantic for frivolous reasons, especially by private jet.
Yes - it was stupid. But this is all part of the nonsense of the RF - why on earth should we be particularly interested in the views of someone, whose sole reason for being given the oxygen of publicity is that they are the son of the heir to the throne. Sure, if they are particularly passionate about an issue, that's fine. But in most cases there seems to be no real passion, not real commitment to an issue. They are merely a famous mouthpiece for a cause. And that is always going to backfire one way or another.

If they do not exploit their RF connection to earn money, but solely rely on their other skills and qualifications, as I said before, good for them - it shows integrity. But the legacy they will be living off comes from their RF connection - so I neither despise them, nor feel sorry for them, nor do I applaud them - they would be just another privileged, wealthy young couple (with a child) and a mercenary mindset.
I genuinely hope this is what they are planning and that the 'stepping back' and 'sharing time between UK and North America' statements is merely softening the blow to the RF. I hope they will start a new life, somewhere out of the fiercest media glare (Canada seems the current option), establish independent careers (like other Royals have done with greater or lesser success) and no longer be part of the anachronistic 'Royal Engagement' junket.

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« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2020, 03:07:37 PM »
What about exploiting their connections in terms of 'good causes'?
Yes - they might need to work on that a bit more. I edited a previous post to say "And I think it was odd to lecture people about environmental issues while flying back and forth across the Atlantic for frivolous reasons, especially by private jet."

They were doing some good work on raising awareness of mental health issues I believe, or at least Harry was. I have not kept up with Meghan's championing of good causes and if her marriage has had a positive impact on these causes.

But regarding mental health - I thought William and Kate were capable of doing a fairly solid job without Harry, but then again maybe Harry, when he spoke about his own mental health issues, was easier for the ordinary person to relate to? I have no idea if people still find him easy to relate to now though.
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Re: 'Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals'
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2020, 03:18:54 PM »
By "this" I mean taking control of the lucrative opportunities available from their marriage and parenthood as members of the RF.

By "start" I mean when they discussed their potential brand as a couple within the RF while considering whether they should continue to get more romantically involved and get married.
Then you need to evidence that more than simply stating that anyone who doesn't believe that is what happened is being naive.

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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2020, 03:26:50 PM »
By "this" I mean taking control of the lucrative opportunities available from their marriage and parenthood as members of the RF.

By "start" I mean when they discussed their potential brand as a couple within the RF while considering whether they should continue to get more romantically involved and get married.
I think that is a little cynical.

My reading of this is that Meghan (like most of the others who marry into the RF) had no idea what she was letting herself in for. As someone from the US she was probably far less aware of the level of control and scrutiny/media attention that was about to be unleashed.

I see no evidence of some pre-agreed plan from their earliest relationship that their recent announcement is part of. I think she didn't realise what she was getting herself into and now wants out.

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« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2020, 03:47:55 PM »
Then you need to evidence that more than simply stating that anyone who doesn't believe that is what happened is being naive.
No I don't think I need to provide evidence as I am not trying to convince anyone else to agree with my opinion. I am stating my opinion based on my interpretation of their actions and words since they got together. I can't be bothered to look for and link to evidence to support my opinions on M&H - they are not worth the effort. So it's fine if you are unconvinced by my opinion on M&H or what I think it would be naive to believe about them.

I think their financial strategy may have evolved and more detail added, including the launch of their Instagram page, Twitter account, a SussexRoyal website and register of copyright to control their image, but I think that neither of them were so clueless as to not be aware of their potential brand when they continued to pursue their romance and decided to get married.

Call me cynical but I am not buying this "love story" with no financial incentive - I do not think they are exceptional, altruistic human beings who do not exploit a financial opportunity when they see one. They appear to enjoy the luxury lifestyle and choices and opportunities that goes with their RF connections and do not appear to want to be held accountable by the RF for their choices or the way they spend money.
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Re: 'Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals'
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2020, 03:53:13 PM »
That's a lot of words for 'I have no evidence'

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« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2020, 03:54:26 PM »
I think that is a little cynical.

My reading of this is that Meghan (like most of the others who marry into the RF) had no idea what she was letting herself in for. As someone from the US she was probably far less aware of the level of control and scrutiny/media attention that was about to be unleashed.

I see no evidence of some pre-agreed plan from their earliest relationship that their recent announcement is part of. I think she didn't realise what she was getting herself into and now wants out.
My reading is different. Harry's previous girlfriends have publicly stated that the press intrusion was one of the main reasons for not committing to the relationship. Harry's mother publicly complained about press intrusion and when she died in an accident, it was initially blamed on press intrusion. Meghan has been in the public eye, she would have done her research on her boyfriend before agreeing to marry him.

I think they are just going after what they want - the money and a particular lifestyle - on their terms.
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« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2020, 03:56:00 PM »
That's a lot of words for 'I have no evidence'
Let me help break it up for you.

The first part was "I have no evidence". The second part was me continuing to state my opinions about the subject matter of this thread.
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Re: 'Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals'
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2020, 03:59:24 PM »
My reading is different. Harry's previous girlfriends have publicly stated that the press intrusion was one of the main reasons for not committing to the relationship. Harry's mother publicly complained about press intrusion and when she died in an accident, it was initially blamed on press intrusion. Meghan has been in the public eye, she would have done her research on her boyfriend before agreeing to marry him.
Sure Meghan was more streetwise and media savvy than Diana when preparing to join the royal family. But that in no way prepares you for the controlling influence of the RF and the media, which happened from day 1. She wasn't prepared, she tried to play along, she's had enough. And I think the key point in this journey is her becoming a mother.

I think they are just going after what they want - the money and a particular lifestyle - on their terms.
No - I think they are trying to extricate themselves from what they don't want - there is a difference.

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« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2020, 04:00:36 PM »
It is quite comical to see the tabloids ranting and raving, and then asking, what could possibly be wrong with their lives?  17 pages in the Daily Mail, for starters.  We pay them, we own them.
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« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2020, 04:02:43 PM »
Let me help break it up for you.

The first part was "I have no evidence". The second part was me continuing to state my opinions about the subject matter of this thread.
For which you have no evidence. I will give you credit for adding a false dichotomy.

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« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2020, 04:08:36 PM »
Sure Meghan was more streetwise and media savvy than Diana when preparing to join the royal family. But that in no way prepares you for the controlling influence of the RF and the media, which happened from day 1. She wasn't prepared, she tried to play along, she's had enough. And I think the key point in this journey is her becoming a mother.
No - I think they are trying to extricate themselves from what they don't want - there is a difference.
I think they were both aware that substantial wealth they have not earned (inherited wealth or wealth through marriage) and a luxurious lifestyle and status comes at a cost. Harry said in the past that it was difficult to find a girlfriend who was willing to pay that price and put up with the control and media intrusion that would go with marrying him.

He seems to have found a girlfriend/ wife who has helped him figure out how to keep the status and lifestyle and wealth and luxury at a reduced cost. It remains to be seen how well it will work out for them but not very surprising they are attempting to break free and get the wealth, luxury, status, high-profile branding etc on their terms. Which high-profile celebrity couple wouldn't want all that without having to be held accountable for their choices?
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Re: 'Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals'
« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2020, 04:09:53 PM »
For which you have no evidence. I will give you credit for adding a false dichotomy.
Sure. You can copy and paste that comment on every post I write on this topic if you like. If you are waiting for evidence, it will be a long wait.
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« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2020, 04:13:49 PM »
Sure. You can copy and paste that comment on every post I write on this topic if you like. If you are waiting for evidence, it will be a long wait.

I'll just reiterate the false dichotomy this time.


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« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2020, 05:02:37 PM »
They would be able to live independently without doing anything if they wanted to, as long as they invested well. They both have money, Harry inherited a lot from his mother who, before him, had inherited from her father and received a handsome divorce settlement. Before she was married her father bought her the mansion apartment which she shared with a couple of friends and sold on her engagement so she was well set up. However I think they will become involved in projects dear to their hearts and try to live privately apart from that.

People do inherit from their parents whether it's a grandfather clock, £10,000, £100,000 or £2m. So what? I'm more than content with my lot and not bothered about what other people have. At least the press aren't interested in me and waiting to pounce every time I make a mistake, to me that's worth millions.

We don't know that the couple hadn't told their family of their decision, I imagine it was talked about if not finalised but that's nobody else's business. It gives the press something to witter about & imo they've press have been mean.

None of it will impact on our lives and there are far more important news items at the moment:  Australian bush fires, USA and Iran, who will be next Labour leader....an endless list.

I can't be bothered to think about this any more, I wish them well whatever they do & will get on with my life.
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Re: 'Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals'
« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2020, 06:23:59 PM »
Marina Hyde on the stushie

https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2020/jan/09/meghan-and-harrys-story-is-quite-the-drama-but-its-no-abdication-crisis?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true

Brilliant, as is usual for her.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the headlines in the Mail or Express (two brands of toilet paper) tomorrow read: 'Harry and Megan: who gives a fuck'.

Not I.

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Re: 'Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals'
« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2020, 08:58:31 PM »
They would be able to live independently without doing anything if they wanted to, as long as they invested well. They both have money, Harry inherited a lot from his mother who, before him, had inherited from her father and received a handsome divorce settlement. Before she was married her father bought her the mansion apartment which she shared with a couple of friends and sold on her engagement so she was well set up. However I think they will become involved in projects dear to their hearts and try to live privately apart from that.

People do inherit from their parents whether it's a grandfather clock, £10,000, £100,000 or £2m. So what? I'm more than content with my lot and not bothered about what other people have. At least the press aren't interested in me and waiting to pounce every time I make a mistake, to me that's worth millions.

We don't know that the couple hadn't told their family of their decision, I imagine it was talked about if not finalised but that's nobody else's business. It gives the press something to witter about & imo they've press have been mean.

None of it will impact on our lives and there are far more important news items at the moment:  Australian bush fires, USA and Iran, who will be next Labour leader....an endless list.

I can't be bothered to think about this any more, I wish them well whatever they do & will get on with my life.
I don’t know - I am interested in if they ever figure out how to escape the press while retaining their titles and also becoming financially independent. Other royals with titles have tried and failed. Maybe they would have more luck if they renounced the titles and the bulk of the privileges.

The reality seems to be that they inherited the wealth, the status, the privilege, the benefits of the tax breaks  and it looks like these benefits come wrapped up with a large serving of press intrusion. Unless there is some other way to persuade the public to retain the RF while not intruding on their privacy or wanting to read news about them and their dysfunctional extended families and in-laws, including fabricated news.

Also, I dispute Harry’s perception that the press intrusion killed his mother and he needs to protect his wife and child from the press. For their sakes I hope he makes sure when they relocate that he and Meghan wear seat belts and the baby is in a suitable baby seat and they or their driver does not drive  at excessive speeds while drunk as that is likely to be a much bigger contributor to death than a few paps on mopeds.

Lots of celebrities deal with paps without dying and have to accept it as the price to be paid to generate interest in their causes, activities and pronouncements and in ticket and merchandise sales income from the public. The flak H&M are getting from the press for trying to beat the system and disappear with both wealth and privilege intact wasn’t exactly a surprise, was it? It must have increased traffic on news websites - the media need to whip up the hysteria and generate as much mileage as they can out of it - they exploit the public as much as the RF does.

I don’t know how much wealth Diana inherited - is there a link to that? Did her flat have a mortgage on it? A lot of people who appear wealthy operate from overdrafts and credit and have few liquid assets. The bulk of her father’s wealth was tied up in Althorp, which was running an annual loss when he died as upkeep was expensive, and Althorp would have gone to Diana’s brother. Did she get an inheritance from some other source? She was relying on Dodi to pay for and organise security once she left the protection of the RF - if she had the money to pay for own security detail, who knows, she may not have died in Paris. Maybe a £17m divorce settlement from Charles (apparently he had to borrow money from the Queen to pay Diana) is still not enough to pay for security year after year if you continue to maintain a visibly high profile.

If H&M are expecting security to continue to be funded from taxes (as has been reported) it could save the tax payer some money if they just stayed in Britain and shared accommodation and security with other members of the RF rather than commuting back and forth with a security detail. It would also be more environmentally friendly.
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